Summoner gets no new pets in expansion

[Tilgung]

I'm not trying to belittle people. I'm making sure you know you're being ridiculous.

Aesthetics are important, but you having a larger Egi will never be more important than game balance. A larger Egi would clutter up the screen and make noticing visual cues harder than they need to be, particularly for people with smaller screen resolutions. If you can't comprehend that, you're a lost cause.

[Deliciou5]

There's a difference between doing a job, and doing the job right.

Opinions don't make good games, gameplay systems that work do. Look at Wildstar for an example to those that say "Hardcore is the way". Look at Aion if you want flashy skills and great graphics. If you're going to scramble for examples while attempting to sound sarcastic, least make them halfway decent.

Umm...why would i go to aion when FFXIV already has flashy skills and great graphics ? Now only if they fixed summoner to be just as flashy as everyone else :3.

[Alahra]

Umm...why would i go to aion when FFXIV already has flashy skills and great graphics ? Now only if they fixed summoner to be just as flashy as everyone else :3.

Their Heavensward spells seem to be an order of magnitude flashier than what they've had previously.

[Tilgung]

Umm...why would i go to aion when FFXIV already has flashy skills and great graphics ? Now only if they fixed summoner to be just as flashy as everyone else :3.

SMN is already just as flashy as everyone else? Probably more so now. Have you seen the Akh Morn animation?

[Asierid]

Their Heavensward spells seem to be an order of magnitude flashier than what they've had previously.

This. SMN has already been upgraded in the "flashy" department while getting decent buffs. Granted they had to cut back on new summons to get those done, but that's small compared to what they had already accomplished.

People just want everything without considering the steps to get there.

[Zhamkyong]

Sometimes i get the feeling some posts/suggestions are being ignored to make discussions about the same topics over and over again.

[Deliciou5]

I like the new bahu ability...and i always said summoner should get more abilities around their ability to summon things. Even if its only bahu;s disembodied ghost head.

[FreeLancer4]

So you prefer to argue about semantics by quoting wiki with definitions of Summoner and showing us what the word "exact" means. I don't think anyone is disputing that Summoner summons. That isn't really up for debate....that's exactly what a Summoner does.

He certainly seems partial to arguing semantics and twisting words.

The pet, however is a secondary concern to applying and utilizing DoTs.

Then don't use the pet. See where your DPS goes then. Both are important and need to be juggled, which is the very core of SMN.

While the pet certainly increases dps, it hardly needs to be juggled, it is however eclipsed by dot management and aetherflow use. Being added as a -pet- job more emphasis should be placed on interaction with it, which I agree SHOULD be the core of SMN but seeing as ifrit has grown in popularity, and offers nothing that wouldn't be a dps loss (Low PoT/small AoE 30s cd when Applicable) or party utility, it only seeks to reinforce the "obey and forget" mindset. There really is no juggling, aside from commanding him to move from damage on occasion. Seeing as they have reduced the amount of abilities that can actually affect the egis, even this doesn't happen to often. Which leads to...

The Summoner calls forth its pet and and has little to no interaction with it. Even if you do manually command them, thete isnt much to command.

You have enough buttons as it is and you want more? Ok. Next thread will be why people don't play SMN because they have too many buttons, which is already a common complaint. Besides, you manually command the pet or you're doing it wrong.

Twisting of words? I believe you should know what he meant by them. He was not advocating more buttons, and though his wording was poor, he meant that there really isn't anything to command it to do that wouldn't result in a dps loss or added utility (Contagion aside) and as such you leave it on Obey and leave it be unless again it needs to be moved from danger. Even choosing not/neglecting to use the 30s AoE goes largely unnoticed and as such reduces the pet to naught more then a mobile turret.

I'll agree that the issue with more readily available burst damage has been addressed (and that bane should be all targets). SpS however was not buffed because we lacked oomph, it was because it was a literal trash stat for SMN, whereas for the other mages it was respectable.

Cosmetics aside, SMN pets abilities should be revised to both offer some pet interaction and added utility. As I said before the other mages have E4E and normal Virus and SCH also has our Super Virus, one Super Virus is typically all that's needed in most content and BLM tops SMN in damage and does so more efficiently while adding its own utility. Added to the fact that the one unique feature, the In-Battle RES as a DPS is usually lackluster due to death being unforgiving in higher end content I do feel a revision of pet abilities is justified.

HW is on the horizon, so we may yet see something that brings added utility to hopefully the pets and by extension the SMN. I for one hope so. Heck, if the WHM/AST setup becomes popular perhaps SMNs Super Virus will be relevant.

[Zhamkyong]

^Now, THIS is important stuff about the class.

Thank you.

He certainly seems partial to arguing semantics and twisting words.

Also, this.

[Darkstride]

He certainly seems partial to arguing semantics and twisting words.

Thanks, I'm glad someone else sees it, too.