Summoner gets no new pets in expansion

[Darkstride]

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To be fair, though, none of those games you provided links to required you to dodge telegraphed attacks. If a Summoner's Ifrit were large enough to block an attack indicator and got someone killed, that would be unfortunate. I don'the think anyone is saying summons in Final Fantasy haven't historically been grandiose, however in an MMO setting like XIV, smaller pets are more practical and group-friendly.

I do agree that there are various other ways that Summoner could have been implemented to make it feel more like a legitimate Summoner, but I can see the side of the pet-size argument.

[Asierid]

a legitimate Summoner

I'm still waiting for an answer as to what a "legitimate" summoner. Only thing I keep hearing is "lyke XI, duh", which isn't an answer cause we cover the same concepts in both games.

You harness primal (Elemental) aether and utilize it to summon small minions as pets. You control these minions and their abilities to fight for you. That in itself is a summoner just by FF lore and past games of the series where you did the -exact- same thing. Only difference was it was the actual primal (Even still, same concept. Apples and Oranges are both fruits), yet even that is explained through the story/lore.

What the hell is a "legitimate" summoner then? Do we need to go get PhDs in summoning now?

[Aikaal]

Mmmm, I didn't read this thread really but I see this topic all the time. I'm a main Black Mage but I keep my Summoner in shape just in case for 3.0

For all the threads I've seen about Summoners not getting new egis, I only have one and a single question; are you really mad about it?

I guess it would be fun to have Bahamut-Egi or Shiva-Egi but... extra pets won't bring something new to Summoners. I've personally never been so excited to try Summoner until I heard they were getting Bahamut Trance. Isn't it what Summoners are suppose to be? They are suppose to control the power of primals. Having an Egi plus Bahamut Trance stance at the same time is extremely appealing. Lore wise... you are literally using Bahamut's power like when you'd Summoner Bahamut in any Final Fantasy game. Instead, you are using it's power to empower your own abilities.

Ability wise, Summoners finally get to do something when they are out of Aetherflow. This is refreshing and good.

Why would... people complain about getting this :T You are gaining new powers from other Primals in 3.0It's just not a boring Egi.

[Darkstride]

What the hell is a "legitimate" summoner then? Do we need to go get PhDs in summoning now?

No need to get hostile.

Summoners in Final Fantasy have been known to be focused on summoning, as their name implies. In XIV, Arcanist is a class that is primarily focused on damage-over-time abilities while having a pet. Summoner in XIV is little more than an Arcanist with some stronger abilities. Fester, the key damage ability for a Summoner, has nothing to do with summoning at all. The pet aspect of Summoner seems to be a secondary concern, as keeping DoTs up and using Aetherflow stacks to Fester or Bane is really the core rotation.

So, in my opinion, a 'legitimate' Summoner would be more focused on actually utilizing summons/primals for their attacks. I am making no comparisons to XI, and I am not even saying that I don't enjoy Summoner as it is. I do, however, think that a Summoner by design should be more concerned with their summons than with watching their DoT timers, and that's just not how it is in XIV.

I think Bahamut Trance is a move in the right direction. If SMN got more Egi, it would be more of the same "apply DoTs, use Fester, Egi auto-attacks" with a different skin. Summoner now will actually have some primal-power abilities that can make it feel like more than a glorified Arcanist.

[elemental10]

When I see people stop leaving Garuda on Sic and manually casting her abilities, THEN i call him a real summoner.

Otherwise, just stick to casting Ruins all day long and let the BLM do the exploding stuffs.

[Darkstride]

When I see people stop leaving Garuda on Sic and manually casting her abilities, THEN i call him a real summoner.

Otherwise, just stick to casting Ruins all day long and let the BLM do the exploding stuffs.

Even still, there's not much to command besides making sure that she doesn't knock the mob away from the tank and insuring that Contagion isn't wasted. The actual pet "management" is pretty limited since the Egi's don't even have any especially potent abilities.

[Saggo]

That in itself is a summoner just by FF lore and past games of the series where you did the -exact- same thing.

I really think you have a different definition of exact than most people.

[Asierid]

I really think you have a different definition of exact than most people.

ex·act
iɡˈzakt/
adjective: exact

1. not approximated in any way; precise.
"the exact details were still being worked out"

Let us see. As per the FF wiki.

"Summoners are known for their ability to summon magical beasts to fight for the party." Core ability.

"Summoners use special magic that allows them to call forth Summoned Monsters. " ...Core ability, part deux.

"In some games, summoners also have the ability to cast either Black Magic or White Magic as well as to summon, thus making them more versatile." DoTs, the ability to rez/virus crossed from ACN.

"and in some games also bear large horns on their foreheads" Wait, what is that thing on her head?

None of these examples are educated guesses, these abilities fit what SMN has been doing since it's release in 3. Was it executed differently? Yes. But the basic concepts are exactly same. Therefore, by literal definition, summoner does fit in with FF Lore...exactly.

I can understand the argument to change the game play into something else because people like something else. Would these opinions it be wise game play changes? Usually, no. But one cannot sit there and say that the current SMN is not a "legitimate" when the role fits every one of those descriptions...exactly. Opinions are one thing. Attempting to pass those opinions on as fact when they are clearly false is another. The very title of this thread is: "Summoner gets no new pets in expansion" where we proceed to QQ why a new summon wasn't implemented (When it really would be useless to do so), not to spread opinionated -facts- about how SMN "Isn't a real summoner".

This has basically reached the point where nothing constructive or logical comes from these threads. It starts with not having a summon, to why am I a BLM, to SMN isn't a SMN anymore because of [insert random reason here]. It's the same trend and it really gets annoying after the 15th thread where there are no legitimate fixes that are not copy pasted from XI.

[Zhamkyong]

This has basically reached the point where nothing constructive or logical comes from these threads.

Well, some of us have already stated some changes or fixes that the class needs withouth talking about the size of our pets, or the number of the pets we have.

[Mendalas]

I hope the OP's first language is not English because otherwise... wow.