Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Lewtskie]

Is that not for flexibility or her different bone structure? Surely with some of the arguments for less armor on female avatars this can be inaccurately explained.

MNK is almost on point, but it seems they decided that the females didn't need the under-armor either. Serveral spots like the legs, a skin window in the chest and the back, which always was really ...odd.

[Zumi]

Everyone has a different opinion on the subject. I actually like the female versions of armor like drg. Shows off some skin and their figure more. It is a fantasy game and everything doesn't have to be realistic. I think some of the more revealing armor adds a fun factor to the game.

[Parryacg]

Parry, have a little empathy, some folks want to play girl characters and not have to worry about looking like eye candy all the time. What one person sees as whining, others see as as a reasonable complaint. I mean, seriously, how would you feel if I stepped into every thread asking for something or talking about a complaint and said "Stop whining"?

What you're suggesting is going into the thread asking SE to stop RMT and saying "If you want do deal with RMT, deal with it. If you want to ignore them, do it. If you don't like RMT, don't play FFXIV or turn on /busy."

No, that's a terrible analogy. As dumb as DRG AF looks (on both male and female), the fact that females are [naturally] more agile and flexible even shows in the AF set; the lack of mail allows them to flex more easily.

Not like it matters.

also;

>fantasy
>not eye candy

Pick one. Seriously. My lalafell is adorable and she's not dressed like "eye candy".

Neither will be my Au Ra when she's created if I have a say in it.

[Samcaesar]

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This is such an awkward assumption on the dev team's behalf IMHO. Note that the men are much more difference than the hyur or Miqo'te (Both still holding the majority in male characters). We know they've been planning Raen Au Ra since the introduction of Yugiri. Why they decided they'd make the Xaela the same is beyond me.

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Of course, but if you place a person in full armor next to a codpiece, which one are you going to take more serious? Which do you think is going to far better in battle? Like.. You can't deny that actual armor serves a purpose, to protect the body, that is invaluable in battle. Seriously.. Look at them and you know what I see? A lot of areas to stab. If someone came to a pool party in a business suit, wouldn't you raise a brow? How serious someone takes the situation will be determined by what sort of thing they're wearing to the occasion. You don't go into battle with an open chest because it means you've got all that more you've got to protect, you're going into the situation unprepared. Also, using 300 isn't a really good example of Spartan battle wear, it's not really too historically accurate. Leonidas wore https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...as-_Sparte.JPG so even they had the thought to wear some armor into battle.

You're right though! Cultural differences will become very telling in what someone wears into battle! However, I've stated several times, if the men's gear looks as silly, let's say their stomach exposed in the DRG AF, as the women's does, I wouldn't complain. This isn't the case though. Like.. Someone's coming to a business meeting and they're wearing a banana hammock while everyone else in there is wearing full three piece suits, sure they may talk business wonderfully, but you're telling me that you wouldn't question their outfit at least once? Maybe if everyone else was wearing banana hammocks, but if that guy's the odd one out, I'm pretty sure you're going to ask some questions. Bruce Lee didn't wear cloth into battle, he was a wonderful martial artist but he never charged into battle in cloth, heck the Keikogi in a lot of traditional eastern martial arts are for training purposes.

Practicality of the boob armor aside in the first link, and while I know nothing of the series the character is from, this guys http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20120131054816 seems a lot more prepared for battle than someone with their shoulders bared and stockings showing. If you're looking at spots on the man's armor, notably around the knees, forearms, or torso, it's a good bit thicker. In the second link, the woman's armor preserves the form as much as possible while still trying to retain the motif, while the men's bulks up to give off a certain feel exact feel of the armor's motif. Like I've said, if you're going to be "tightly fitted" then make the men's gear "tightly fitted" as well.

Sure, and again, I don't care about armor as long as the men's armor looks equally ridiculous or the women's armor looks equally bulky. If having "Feminine" gear means it does the whole "Form fitting as possible" while the "masculine" version of the same gear means it bulks up to show off a motif, I'm going to cry fowl right there. It because more clear that they're doing things besides making the armor more sensible whenever changes like that exist.

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Cool, guess you gotta shut down the NA and EU forums cause Japan doesn't care.

MNK is almost on point, but it seems they decided that the females didn't need the under-armor either. Serveral spots like the legs, a skin window in the chest and the back, which always was really ...odd.

Honestly I never thought about the MNK AF. I wouldn't mind if they either took out the under-armor for the men or added it to the women as well in this case. But I'd hope they'd make it equal.

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Except women within FFXIV are no wear stated to be more flexable. Look at all those sharp bits around the bellyhole, if anything the scalemail is to protect from those thing from jabbing into the body whenever the person turns around. You've got options to deal with RMT so stop your whining.

You can have fantasy without being eye candy, I just don't want to have to play a male PC for that.

[Parryacg]

lol, I have no problems with RMT, so I don't see your issue.

The fact that you honestly are comparing RMT with a garbage AF set astounds me. There's all these vanity sets you can use, but you're complaining about a single AF set.

Basically, are you trying to troll, or is this your actual opinion?

[Lewtskie]

Everyone has a different opinion on the subject. I actually like the female versions of armor like drg. Shows off some skin and their figure more. It is a fantasy game and everything doesn't have to be realistic. I think some of the more revealing armor adds a fun factor to the game.

Shows off their figure how? All you see is a flat gut. The exception being if you had the muscle tone slider upped to max to show off them sick-pecs, except not every female has them, so kinda moot.

Forced skin windows that are cropped from already existing designs doesn't scream sexy. It screams lazy, shoddy workmanship. It's tacky, out of place, and clashes with the overall design because it's obvious it was never intended to be initially there. I know they can do better than that, and they certainly have in some circumstances, but they still have a bad track record of half-assing attire. Being that you play a Miqote you can see quite often where.

[Exosapien]

I guess what irritates me about this entire thread is that the people who want less-revealing outfits are using one of two (or both) arguments. Most prevalent is the practicality argument. This argument is flawed. I don't care how much metal you put between yourself and dragon, you aren't gonna win. The second is the moral high-ground "equality" nonsense. Your morals are not more moral because they are different that another persons. You are inherently taking away equality by demanding someone else do something your way. It's nonsense. Stop it.

[Samcaesar]

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Cool! Go into the RMT and tell them to stop complaining seeing as you don't care about RMT either.

I'm complaining about a set that has a certain motif that's changed for the girls to show more skin or their form. Folks levels of what people care about and I care about armor. There's /busy, so guess those folks in the RMT thread are just whining.

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So why's there a belly window? Why aren't DRGs running at dragons in their undies? They're going to lose either way. Folks arguing the "Moral" grounds have stated several they just want gear to look equal, nothing about morals. They just don't the women changing into battle with their belly showing if the men have the belly covered, it doesn't make sense.

[Parryacg]

Cool! Go into the RMT and tell them to stop complaining seeing as you don't care about RMT either.

I'm complaining about a set that has a certain motif that's changed for the girls to show more skin or their form. Folks levels of what people care about and I care about armor. There's /busy, so guess those folks in the RMT thread are just whining.

No, your problem is you're complaining about ONE (1) [UNO] armor set, an armor set that's not only mediocre but looks like garbage out of every other armor set in the game. Your complaint is generally pointless, and comparing it to something else entirely is plain pathetic.

Unlike the armor set, RMTs can destroy in-game economies and again, I have no problem with the RMTs because I'll never buy gil from them ever.

Basically, what you care about is a hole in a set of armor. A single case of gender difference.

"ooh, she's showing her belly". And? Is it seriously causing a problem?

The answer; HELL no.

[Exosapien]

Snipe.

Why is there? Because the artist thought it looked [insert adjective]. You don't have to use the actual word "morality" because it is implied in the word "equal," and the way it's presented in this thread is basically censorship. Did you know that fighting a dragon doesn't make sense because they're pretend? Cat people also don't exist, and if they did it doesn't make any sense for them to only have cat ears and a tail and sometimes eyes. They'd most sensibly look like some kind monster with all sorts of strange parts. It makes no sense that they're pretty at all. But they are in the game. It's called willing suspension of disbelief. If you can accept that your character is a walking genetic freak, or that fat chocobos fly because cake - then throwing a fit about a belly hole makes no sense either.