Please do NOT alter Dark Knight AF for female characters.

[Samcaesar]

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Like I've said, if it's going to be bulky for the men, it ought to be bulky for the women as well. If it more revealing on the women, it ought to look more revealing on the men as well. Armor can make less sense, but it should make less sense equally.



As I've stated elsewhere, "Tightly fitted" in most cases basically amounts to very shiny skin with most people's wants. I keep bringing them up because more oft than not, that's the hop-skip away to what people consider "Female armor". I've clearly made a distinction between "Form fitting" and "Tight", and showing off your character's hips, thighs, and breasts are not "Form fitting". It is pretty damn degrading whenever I want to wear the DRG AF and I've got to deal with the ridiculous bellyhole (Or lack of scalemail if you want to be that pedantic about wording) and visible black bra that doesn't doesn't exist on the men's version, because I can tell you, that bellyhole (Or Boob window, extra cleavage, or lack of armor to accentuate the woman's body) isn't to make it "Form fitting".

Cool, excuse me for wanting women in armor to look as serious as men do in armor. You keep using "tightly fitted" (most people use this to mean panted on metallic "armor") and form fitting interchangeably. This is "Tightly fitted" http://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-cont...boob-armor.jpg This is form fitting http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...vl5l5nmpng.png See the difference? If you consider "Tightly fitted" serious, would you take http://images1.fanpop.com/images/pho...-1000-1500.jpg as serious armor? Considering I'd look at a dude changing into battle wearing a loincloth and ask what the hell is he doing, yes those who wear little clothes and are charging into battle aren't something to be taken seriously. Seriously, ask yourself, if a dude came up to you saying that he's a proud warrior and all he's wearing is a metal codpiece, would you take him serious? If so, why?

Seeing all the people advocating for "Tight fitting feminine armor must be the case for women", I'd say otherwise. Whenever armor in game has an intent that it's trying to invoke, such as fighting dragons with the DRG AF it really shouldn't sway into the more silly design that the girl's version of it has, least the question of "Why don't the men also have the bellyhole as well?" be brought up. It's armor. It's meant to be protective. Considering the direction FFXIV takes with armor in that the fantasy setting, IE the armor to looks more bulky and still works, why should that change just for the girls? Make silly more revealing or "tightly fitted" armor for glamours, because they're not suppose to invoke a feeling of actually being protective armor within FFXIV.

Cool, I'm a girl too! Women are also asking for properly fitted gear that doesn't have sudden and unneeded changes to the women's version to make it look more "Feminine". Generally, developers who are straight men (As that is how things tend to end up in most industries) will develop armor that suits their tastes, ie men are more suited to power fantasies, women are more suited to what they want women to look like. SE has done a wonderful job so far of not doing that with the armor, with a few exceptions. I'm just hoping they continue their streak with only a few blemishes (Look at the folks asking for men versions of some the women exclusive gear or the weird lack of scalemail on the DRG AF for girls). I'm just hoping they fix those few blemishes as well, perhaps by adding a "Bellyhole edition" of the DRG AF (Avaliable for men and women!) and making the covered version default.

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Then why don't they just change the armor to have a closed bellyhole and add in a glamour version with the bellyhole (Avaliable for both men and women)? No need for a toggle in the UI, just model work to make it available for men and women and an addition of the glamour bellyhole version somewhere in the game.

The X or Y Chromosome primarily function in determining what the primary set of hormones are released throughout one's life, from prenatal and onward. This of course affects a lot of things, however look at how someone deprived of any testosterone (Such as a eunuch) develops as opposed to a man with a steady stream of sex hormones will, the differences are apparent. There are a lot species in which case sex chromosomes are incredibly weird, hell Platypuses have some incredibly bizarre set ups and New Mexico Whiptail lizards lack a Y chromosome all together (Huzzah for lesbian lizards!). Alternatively, look at species with reversed sexual dimorphic patterns, most notably the Anglerfish if you want an extreme and a less extreme is Spotted Hyenas. Even then, Chromosomes aren't the sole deciding factor in something such as gonads, as folks with XY or XX can be born with plenty of conditions that would put them underd the medical label of "Intersex" (Roughly 1 in 1000 people fall under this definition according to http://www.isna.org/faq/frequency ). Women are less muscular due to the body producing less testosterone than a man would, however this isn't uniform (Or even average I'd wager) across all women neither is it uniform across all men. For in game examples, look at the any of the beast tribes or the Lalafell, in which sex chromosomes don't seem nearly as massive of an effect of their general structure.

Without getting too in depth into the bone structure of the Lalafell, it doesn't seem like male lalafell have that different of body structure than a female one does. Plus again, the size of their hips is hardly a deciding factor in what their armor looks like. The point is, look at the general body structure of a Roegadyn women. Look at the body structure of a Midlander, Elezen, or Au Ra man. Note how similar they actually look, poses aside? Looking at just their body structure, they're incredibly similar, so why the differences in armor? Considering we don't know exactly how Roegadyn or Lalafell body structure works your assumptions work akin to mine do. For all we know, Roegadyn newborns are incredibly small and develop outside the body so a difference hip structure isn't needed.

No, it does a wonderful job to stay away from that.. Most of the time. Nothing is perfect and we can strive to be better, armor and character wise as well. Minfillia really isn't helping your case by the way, she's like the epitome of damsel in distress :P Armor that shows the belly exists for little purpose other than to show off the stomach. I don't complain about the leather harness sets and subligars because they're the same on men and women (Excluding the bra on the women because well game ratings). The DRG AF is not however. Plus, go ahead and talk about the bunny GS set or the new dancer esque set in that thread where the OP is asking for male versions. The game is lacking on a few fronts.

Excuse me for thinking critically about the media I consume? I'm sure a lot of people find belly's attractive.. Look at the advent of female belly dancers and all that advocacy for a smooth (Not toned!) stomach. If I see a girl with a large spear coming at me with a giant bellyhole, you know what I'm going to do? Go "Huh, well time to jam something sharp in that huge opening in her armor!" then laugh as she allowed for such a silly opening in her armor to exist.

Fighting styles being different isn't a good explanation, others have already said why. Keep listing reason if you'd like.

[Felis]

Cool, excuse me for wanting women in armor to look as serious as men do in armor. You keep using "tightly fitted" (most people use this to mean panted on metallic "armor") and form fitting interchangeably. This is "Tightly fitted" http://i2.wp.com/www.tor.com/wp-cont...boob-armor.jpg This is form fitting http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/...vl5l5nmpng.png See the difference? If you consider "Tightly fitted" serious, would you take http://images1.fanpop.com/images/pho...-1000-1500.jpg as serious armor?

Just play as a tank. The "tightly fitted" gear don't exist as tank gear in this game

Considering I'd look at a dude changing into battle wearing a loincloth and ask what the hell is he doing, yes those who wear little clothes and are charging into battle aren't something to be taken seriously. Seriously, ask yourself, if a dude came up to you saying that he's a proud warrior and all he's wearing is a metal codpiece, would you take him serious? If so, why?

If this is about the coliseum gear, it is "let's start a show" gear and not even tank gear (not WAR and PLD exclusive)


"Thightly fitted" gear will be only a design fail on tanks, not on the other job types who don't need full protection over agility.

Example:


Auron, as a tank, is full covered. While Wakka, a ranged attack type, show a lot of skin to get the feeling of agility. And I don't think it exist somewhere a thread where someone find that Wakka show too much skin instead to be full-protected.

[ArcaviusGreyashe]

Generally, developers who are straight men (As that is how things tend to end up in most industries) will develop armor that suits their tastes, ie men are more suited to power fantasies, women are more suited to what they want women to look like.

Ah ! good ol' Patriarchy ! Men having all the power, women being sexy and stupid being that shall do the kitchening while we, proud men, can do our job, drinking beer and fighting in pubs ! What a pleasant time !

... I'm sorry, what ?

First, game developers aren't all straight male, and even if they'd be... God, all straight male don't picture themselves as brave warriors and conquerors, and women as... I don't even know how to put it. B*tches waiting them home. What the hell ? We're human beings, you know =(

[Samcaesar]

Just play as a tank. The "tightly fitted" gear don't exist as tank gear in this game

I'll stick to healer and their robes, thank you very much. That's the point of this thread, asking SE to make sure that the tank gear doesn't take a route that the DRG AF did. :P

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They aren't, but I can tell you it's not unusual, especially for large studios like SE is. Plus.. Considering SE designed the Au Ra, the girls looking like they needed to be protected and keep a have a small form, it drifts into that sort of field of thought. People have power fantasies, it's not unusual either (Nor do I blame those who have them), we are playing video games where we're literally the hero(es) of Eorzea. It's just a request that the power fantasy exists for both men and women or if they're going to make one of them have a more sex appeal-esque route, they ought to do the same for the other sex as well.

I apologize if I've offended you, sincerely.

[Canadane]

Just play as a tank. The "tightly fitted" gear don't exist as tank gear in this game

Hey now, the Noct Lorica fit tightly across my abs to the point it showed off those secret abdominal muscles on my flanks.

[Samcaesar]

Hey now, the Noct Lorica fit tightly across my abs to the point it showed off those secret abdominal muscles on my flanks.

Just like MGS Solid Snake! Be proud soldier!

[MistyMew]

Please DO alter it!!

The skimpier the better yup, I too am female irl and would much much prefer a change between male to female versions..in all gear.
I cant stand stuffy head to toe armor, it sucks and is totally boringgg IMO <-- imo!!

Sorry but I simply prefer a more "fantasy" style gear always have and always will.

To each his own though ..personally I would prefer a LARGE variety of statless vanity fantasy sets [/U]at mogstation or via GC/golden saucer/crafted, etc.. but actual fantasy style gear!!

That would please me, keep af as tacky as you want, it just wouldnt matter, as long as they one day offer true fantasy gear to glamor with. Seeing the new af online, I already know I would glamor out all jobs.

ALL gearstyles should have many options to choose from, as it stands now there is very little choice at all.

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[Felis]

Hey now, the Noct Lorica fit tightly across my abs to the point it showed off those secret abdominal muscles on my flanks.

But those are fake muscles, part of the gear, to show yourself stronger than you are ^^

I'll stick to healer and their robes, thank you very much. That's the point of this thread, asking SE to make sure that the tank gear doesn't take a route that the DRG AF did. :P

And like I said already, DRG AF is not tank gear and therefore can't work as an indicator for future tank gear designs. It is also already over 3 years old and tanks still ran around full covered if not glamoured.

[Symon17]

Ah ! good ol' Patriarchy ! Men having all the power, women being sexy and stupid being that shall do the kitchening while we, proud men, can do our job, drinking beer and fighting in pubs ! What a pleasant time !

... I'm sorry, what ?

First, game developers aren't all straight male, and even if they'd be... God, all straight male don't picture themselves as brave warriors and conquerors, and women as... I don't even know how to put it. B*tches waiting them home. What the hell ? We're human beings, you know =(

Generally doesn't mean all, and that might not describe you at all. But consider the devs of ffxiii being quoted as giving Lightning bigger boobs so they could jiggle saying "Since everyone can decide what costume she’ll wear, you can make sure it does (laughs). By the way, since Lightning swings her arm when you change her weapon in the menu screen, that’s a recommended action for sure-fire jiggling! To see it even better it could be useful to equip a small shield. Look forward to it!" and also "The costume is sexy, and the victory pose will change depending on the costume. This one is particularly sexy." ffxiii and xiv don't have the exact same team, but these are actual square enix employees, so I really don't think samcaeser was off in addressing it as a real developer mindset.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think people are just making up issues where they don't really exist, just to try to prove a point that doesn't really need to be made for this game.

Sam's response to anyone wanting to be fully armored yet still feminine is "Go wear a plate bikini"

I think that says more about them that it does about the rest of us.

They seem to ignore the High Allagan set as if it doesn't exist and can't exist in this game where the only options are "plate bikini" or "bulky mail" .

Also, if going by "real life armor" standards, armor has to be fitted, or else it doesn't work right.
Armor that isn't fitted to the body and just bounces around will injure the person wearing it.