DEV REQUEST:DUEL/SPAR system

[Gooner_iBluAirJGR]

This, so many times! Even with pvp-only Actions, sooner or later people would start to whine about how monks are powerful, that paladin Pacification skill or whatever they find """unfair""".

Lol this is already done in the pvp section of the forums from time to time. Reason why you probably didn't notice it before is because its done in the pvp section of the forms,

[Nalien]

This, so many times! Even with pvp-only Actions, sooner or later people would start to whine about how monks are powerful, that paladin Pacification skill or whatever they find """unfair""".

Again, this already occurs in the PvP section and you're seemingly completely oblivious to it. Not only that but SE does not take PvP into account when balancing PvE. You're none the wiser to this now, why would you be with duels?

But I also want PVP to stay in its box.

Ignoring how condescending this sounds, I already pointed out issues with that, didn't I?

If you have a few select venues where people can duel, then PvPers will gather in those areas to duel and it's likely one will be more popular than the other just out of convenience. That means our dueling venue will have a fair amount of people crowding the area fighting, creating lag and other issues. Why should we suffer that inconvenience (and lag is a major inconvenience in PvP...) just because a handful of people see some massive difference between a DRG fighting a 5th Cohort Secutor and a DRG fighting a MNK? Fighting in a box works for instances where it would just be two people, but again we don't want instances. Shoving every PvPer into one ring would just be absurd, imagine every boxer/wrestler/whatever in a single ring. The zone would have to be massive, though given how unused the open world is in this game that still seems like it would just be a waste to make an extra one. What do you honestly care if two people are dueling out in the wilderness? How often do you actually visit such places? Even someone actually leveling, rather than sitting at camp waiting for queues/PF would only see such duels in passing. It's not like it would be something that would be in your face that you're forced to watch, in fact I'd imagine most would initially mistake duels for some form of Levequest, seeing as some of them pit us against humanoid enemies... Unless you're interested enough to sit around and watch, how would it really affect you?

The only issue here is people not wanting to see duels, and that is frankly an absurd complaint. We've covered how balance isn't an issue. We've covered how PvE players could be kept out of the loop with various restrictions. There is no issue here other than "I don't want to see duels !", and that is something which simply cannot be taken seriously. It's the complaint of a child, everyone has things they don't want to see, but most of us past the age of 10 tend to realize that the world doesn't revolve around us and other people might enjoy things we don't.

Someone, please, just give me a detailed run down of how two people dueling (not getting you involved, because of the restrictions suggested) would somehow ruin your day. Are you perhaps doing Ixali Dailies and you see two people dueling as you leave Revenant's Toll? Does that 3 seconds of witnessing a duel sour your entire day? I am honestly interested in what the big issue is with just seeing duels taking place, although so far only two or three people even seem to have that issue.

[Talec]

"boohoo, I can't win against a Bard! NERF BARDS!"

Patch 3.1: "Bard DMG was nerfed for -20%. Aditionally, they have to stand still now to activate ANY skill. Wanderers Minuet has been taken out of the game."

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Not interested. Duels make everything worse, because people start to campare and asks for nerf destroiyng any balance every game ever had.

[Nalien]

"boohoo, I can't win against a Bard! NERF BARDS!"

Patch 3.1: "Bard DMG was nerfed for -20%. Aditionally, they have to stand still now to activate ANY skill. Wanderers Minuet has been taken out of the game."

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Not interested. Duels make everything worse, because people start to campare and asks for nerf destroiyng any balance every game ever had.

Could you please actually read the thread, rather than just jumping in with a knee-jerk reaction? PvP is balanced completely separately from PvE in this game, PvP balance is never going to impact your PvE gameplay. Complaints about various Jobs already occur in the PvP section and you're completely oblivious to them, why would you suddenly suffer them with duels when you're currently completely unaware of them? Such complaints already happen. They already don't impact PvE balance. Duels wouldn't change a single damned thing in that regard.

To be honest, I'm flabbergasted that you seem to think your solution is "superior" when the negatives it will cause players far outweigh your "eww duels" mentality. But considering your view that a player losing 70 million gil and housing property is insignificant, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Another thing I didn't think of last night; Separate servers is just segregation. I happen to have plenty of friends who aren't interested in PvP, should they have to move to a PvP server when they're not interested in PvP? So now I'm losing over 70m gil and potentially a good chunk of my friendslist. Housing issues would be rare since not everyone owns one (or two), I'll admit, but I imagine plenty of PvPers have friends who simply wouldn't need/want to move server for duels. A new server for duel requests is simply a bad solution. It's a lot of hassle and inconveniences a lot of people, considering it's only a solution to protect a couple peoples precious virgin eyes from witnessing two people dueling...

[bettomendes]

Again, this already occurs in the PvP section and you're seemingly completely oblivious to it. Not only that but SE does not take PvP into account when balancing PvE. You're none the wiser to this now, why would you be with duels?

Lol this is already done in the pvp section of the forums from time to time. Reason why you probably didn't notice it before is because its done in the pvp section of the forms,

Just proved my point. I don't have any interest in pvp whatsoever and if it was up to me it wouldn't even exist in this game. So, my opinion on this topic is no to duels as well.

[Nalien]

Just proved my point. I don't have any interest in pvp whatsoever and if it was up to me it wouldn't even exist in this game. So, my opinion on this topic is no to duels as well.

Your point was that you don't want that whining, but you're already completely ignorant of that whining. In effect it doesn't even exist for you, because it is only something the PvP community has to deal with and it in no way impacts your game play.

You are effectively saying no to something because it will create issues that you will never have to deal with... By all means you're entitled to your opinion, but that seems like a pretty silly justification against duels. The complaints already happen and they already don't impact your life in the slightest, you don't even see them, so what is your issue with them?

Were PvE and PvP balanced together -rather than separately -you'd have a point, but as it stands you're effectively just saying no to say no. You're welcome to say that, of course, but it isn't really a strong argument. This game wasn't designed specifically for you, it was designed to cater to a broad selection of people, and PvP content is a part of that. The fact that PvP content already exists and its workings and discussions have gone completely over your head should be a good thing for you; This game has PvP and it hasn't impacted your PvE experience at all. How is that a bad thing? The inclusion of PvP does nothing to PvE, your argument effectively just comes off as "I don't like it so nobody should" with that in mind, again; Not really a strong argument. If you don't like PvP so much, why don't you just continue ignoring it? Is its just being there harming you in anyway? Just continue not visiting the PvP subsection and the "whining" you're concerned about will continue to not be a thing.

[Khyan]

Just proved my point. I don't have any interest in pvp whatsoever and if it was up to me it wouldn't even exist in this game. So, my opinion on this topic is no to duels as well.

But you know, you're not alone and some people have an interest on PvP. It's like Triple Triad, some people wanted to see TT game, some don't.

This PvP system will change nothing about PvE. And of course you're here for saying "no" without understand the actual PvP system.

Obviously it's your opinion, it's okay, but it adds nothing to the topic after all.

[Mutemutt]

I would prefer them spending time improving the pvp that's already here. Like something to revive wolve's den and secure.
1v1 just isn't very exciting for me.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I want guild wars (outside of cities!) too! =D

[Nalien]

I would prefer them spending time improving the pvp that's already here. Like something to revive wolve's den and secure.
1v1 just isn't very exciting for me.

Wolves' Den adjustments are actually already planned for 3.1 and 3.2 IIRC.

Honestly though, duels wouldn't take a great deal of effort to implement, virtually all the frame work is already in place thanks to content like Levequests and Triple Triad. Certainly an easy thing to implement than an additional Frontlines mode, which is what we're getting in 3.0, new map and all.