Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

[Sleigh]

I believe the better way to look at it when it comes to DoT clipping isn't the value of a DoT vs what you could do instead, but the value of a DoT's duration living out + filler vs refreshing a DoT. Otherwise you'd be making the same argument any time a DoT can be clipped enough that it'd be more potency than non-DoTs, which obviously isn't the proper way to DPS.

It'd be FT combo B4B + the remaining ticks of the old CT vs what a clipped B4B CT combo without old ticks would do, and I'm quite sure in this case refreshing early would lead to less DPS.

[pandabearcat]

Even ignoring opportunity cost of a better ability aside, refreshing early at most grants you 30% more damage.

Ballpark means if you are clipping longer than 10 seconds, its not worth it. I would go ahead and say if you're clipping more than 6 seconds, its not worth it.

You can view dots as merely a big nuke with a CD.

In other news, this is exactly the type of scenario a simulator would solve.

Also also, its definitely not worth it because the opportunity cost is a TTT combo.

[RachaelMarie22]

I wondered this too when I was reading Kreitor's bard guide about clipping burst dots at 6sec to extend the duration of buffed dots.

But I guess not worth it for drg

[Jollyy5]

So if the recommended rotation (without oGCD skills) is HT > CT combo > Phelb > FT combo, then what about burst rotation for adds?

There are different kinds of adds, some that die so quickly you can barely pull off a FT combo, and then adds that have more health, but die before or soon after you finish the full rotation... 15 seconds of CT gone to waste = what do?

Usually I use HT > FT combo on adds that die quickly, or HT > Phelb > FT combo on adds that take more hits, and if they aren't dead yet, I start another FT combo that I may or may not be able to finish.

[Dervy]

General Rule of thumb is that HT - > Impulse Drive -> Disembowel is the preferred opener. What you do next depends on how long it will take to kill the NPC. All it takes is 4 whole GCDs, and a Chaos Thrust is worth more than a Full Thrust. (35*4)+250 = 390 vs FTs 360.

Opening with HT always:

3 GCDs: HT -> ID -> DIS
4 GCDs: HT -> TTT
5 GCDs: HT -> ID -> TTT (or TTT -> ID)
6 GCDs: HT -> ID -> DIS -> TTT
7 GCDs: HT -> IDC -> TTT

Of course it isn't as black and white as this... As usually, you'll want to try set-up combos if you have additional adds to kill. For example, if you have an NPC that will die in 4GCDs, but another one afterwards, then it would be best to do HT -> ID -> DIS -> ID -> Switch add -> DIS, etc.

[pandabearcat]

Its pretty easy to check (ignoring HT modifiers for now)

TTT does 150 + 200 + 360 = 710

ID > DE > CT = 180 + 220 + 250 * 1.1 + 35*5 = 850.

So even disregarding DE buff, IDC does more damage than TTT after 15 sec. In fact the breakeven point is ... 3 seconds.

Yep. Always IDC.

[Jonnycbad]

Stupid question, but what's TTT? True Thrust? Not sure why it's not TVF

[HeavensSword]

Stupid question, but what's TTT? True Thrust? Not sure why it's not TVF

Just shorthand for the "thrust" combo as all end in thrust.

[pandabearcat]

Dragoons are always thrusting. The "i don't care" combo and the "triple thrust" combo.

[Jollyy5]

Even if it's a sweeping or slashing motions, it's a thrust.

Always a thrust...

Always...