Paladin emnity generation is terrible

[karateorangutang]

Honestly I havent had trouble holding hate since I hit novus weapon and before that burtang was more than enough. He might be tryign to spam cooldowns or something before hate solidifies.... I dunno.

Gear isnt too hard to attain and if you can enter instances where there is no cap then you should be at a point where this isnt an issue.

[matt8107t]

This is definitely a player gear or stat problem most of the time when I OT I have to stick to riot blade and fracture to not pull hate even in sword oath. So glad in the expansion we are getting a non enmity combo.

[Kerwin]

I usually don't have a problem with aggro to other classes other then WAR. All though low levels without shield oath will make you work to hold aggro.

[Edellis]

has anyone said git gud yet?

Because i have never, ever had problems holding enmity with paladin. I mean, you have provoke ffs. I can see if you just find a way to royally screw up and can't provoke them off, but 1,2, halone and the occasional scorn should take pretty much anything.

[Meleoffs]

I taught a pld with 130 wep to keep aggro off bis war with 135 wep doing eye butchers eye and the only time the war would rip is if he crit IB during the 9 hit opener. This is definitely a pebkac (problem exists between keyboard and chair) thing.

[gehrtalert]

i110 new-ish pally here. I do just fine holding hate in most situations. Holy spamming and triple flares dont do much against flash and CoS. The only problem i usually have is holding single target hate against a godly NIN.

[Habien]

I taught a pld with 130 wep to keep aggro off bis war with 135 wep doing eye butchers eye and the only time the war would rip is if he crit IB during the 9 hit opener. This is definitely a pebkac (problem exists between keyboard and chair) thing.

I don't know if I just missed it in the thread or if nobody mentioned this, but I'll agree keeping threat as a PLD isn't any different than a warrior, but if you are trying to keep threat off the warrior (and succeeding) I have to ask: Is this warrior using Unchained/Berserk/Inner Release with SE>BB>SE(or BB)? If so, I have to ask how you manage that. When I run warrior and do the above, there's no contest, I get hate and keep it. When I run on pld and a warrior does that, I lose hate, I might get it back later on, but I might not either.

[SirTaint]

I don't know if I just missed it in the thread or if nobody mentioned this, but I'll agree keeping threat as a PLD isn't any different than a warrior, but if you are trying to keep threat off the warrior (and succeeding) I have to ask: Is this warrior using Unchained/Berserk/Inner Release with SE>BB>SE(or BB)? If so, I have to ask how you manage that. When I run warrior and do the above, there's no contest, I get hate and keep it. When I run on pld and a warrior does that, I lose hate, I might get it back later on, but I might not either.

That's why WAR opens. Outside of their Unchained initial burst PLD should have zero issues with hate. If a group is having the PLD pull then the WAR won't be using unchained. The idea isn't to fight for hate, its to synergize to maximize hate and DPS.

[Nomad-phx]

stop trying to get my paladin adjusted yo, it works just fine.

[SpookyGhost]

Unchained/Berserk/Inner Release with SE>BB>SE(or BB).

If your intention is to get hate from the PLD, yes you can certainly do that with Unchained/Zerk/IR SE -> BB -> SE/BB. Otherwise, you want to go with:

Unchained -> HS -> Brutal Swing -> Maim -> Berserk + IR -> SE -> Fracture -> HS -> Maim -> SP -> IB -> drop Defiance -> HS -> Maim -> SE

The only time I pull off a PLD (who's wearing full VIT) is if he has a Shiva wep, and I'm at 600+ STR with party buff. So you're really unlikely to pull off someone if you simply don't BB.

Alternatively, if you want to min/max DPS, the WAR opens and is free to SE -> BB -> SE, then swaps when Unchained/FoF wear off. But yeah, if you BB with Defiance and all your offensive buffs going... as OT... you're going to pull... but you kinda shouldn't do that as the OT.