Guildleves create a barrier to new players

[Perrin_Aybarra]

I'm pretty sure doing a 4-5 star is near impossible even for the level 10's in the lower 20's unless you have a really high physical level.

Look, i am honestly not trying to call you down or judge your playstyle, but instead of crying about the leves maybe you need to adjust your tactic. THM are very powerfull even if it's your only class. It is actually very easy to do a level 10 leve with 5 stars when you are a level 20 THM. Please, learn to play your class, adjust your startegy before requesting a change in the way leves work.

I solo leves all the time, I did not have a shell until I got level 25-26 and I found that getting to 30 was easy and fast with just leves and quests/story missions. Not saying that my feedback is better than yours, but the system works fine as it is, soloing 5 star rank 10 leves is more than doable when you are level 20.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

No need to get so hostile guys, the OP brings forth a valid argument.
Also no need for posting suggestions as to how the OP should be playing the game.
That's just showing how terrible you are at reading posts, and how good at missing the point entirely.

No, his point is not valid. The leve system works fine, the sp adjustment they did is working nicely. The fact that they are putting in a ticket system to be able to stock up on leves and mass do them on the weekend or when you got time just invalidates his point, and that is why we are making suggestions to improve the number of leves he can do which is more than we can say about your post.

If we were being hostile we would just call him down and not make suggestions...

[Aeyis]

No, his point is not valid. The leve system works fine, the sp adjustment they did is working nicely. The fact that they are putting in a ticket system to be able to stock up on leves and mass do them on the weekend or when you got time just invalidates his point, and that is why we are making suggestions to improve the number of leves he can do which is more than we can say about your post.

If we were being hostile we would just call him down and not make suggestions...

Except that you are effectively telling him that he doesnt know what hes talking about.
Which seems real strange since he clearly presents his thoughts as his opinion,
his personal experience on the game and how he believes others might feel the same.

Your basically telling him: ''your wrong, heres some suggestions so that you can learn to play better''
But tbh i dont expect someone with your forum name to be keen on knowing how to listen to people. :P

Know your absolutely right about the leve stacking being implemented, thats also what i first thought about when i read his post.
However if you believe it is indeed a large improvement over the current system and will fix his problems, then just go out and say that, and only that. xD
Anything else isnt really advice~

Note that telling him to learn to play his class when obviously his new (you know, where we all start at?)
is the defination of hostility.

I personally could not do those things you mention off the bat when i started, however i decided to level all classes to 10+ and being a well experience mmo/other game veteran i could do so not long after.

This does not mean its easy to learn period and that anyone who cant do it needs to l2p.

To validate my point, have you ever soloed the rank ''10'' dodo leve at drybone at 5 stars while being rank 20?

[Perrin_Aybarra]

Except that you are effectively telling him that he doesnt know what hes talking about.
Which seems real strange since he clearly presents his thoughts as his opinion,
his personal experience on the game and how he believes others might feel the same.

Your basically telling him: ''your wrong, heres some suggestions so that you can learn to play better''
But tbh i dont expect someone with your forum name to be keen on knowing how to listen to people. :P

Know your absolutely right about the leve stacking being implemented, thats also what i first thought about when i read his post.
However if you believe it is indeed a large improvement over the current system and will fix his problems, then just go out and say that, and only that. xD
Anything else isnt really advice~

Note that telling him to learn to play his class when obviously his new (you know, where we all start at?)
is the defination of hostility.

I personally could not do those things you mention off the bat when i started, however i decided to level all classes to 10+ and being a well experience mmo/other game veteran i could do so not long after.

This does not mean its easy to learn period and that anyone who cant do it needs to l2p.

To validate my point, have you ever soloed the rank ''10'' dodo leve at drybone at 5 stars while being rank 20?

Hmm you are right, I went completely off and was a bit out of place by telling him to adjust his tactics. However I don't know what you are trying to imply with your

tbh i dont expect someone with your forum name to be keen on knowing how to listen to people. :P

I might have been wrong in the way I tried to help OP, but you are not much better by saying stuff like that.

Anyways, to answer your question, no I have not soloed that leve as I started in gridania and stayed in that area except for story quests. But I did solo other leves on 5 stars while I was rank 20, and I'll even say that I did solo 5 stars rank 10 leves while I was level 17-20 as a Conjurer and as a THM (to be fair, on my THM I had more physical levels since I had CON leveled up already)

anyways, sorry if what I said upset you, the fact remains that you can get plenty of SP with leves at any level and it will even be better with the ticket system. The OP ask for more leves or a faster reset, for which I said and will say again since you think that I can't read, that the leve reset timer is fine the way it is.

[Aeyis]

It was a snipe at Perrin, i never much liked the way hes bad at listening to people. xD Otherwise hes great tho! He does deal with a lot of rather annoying characters after all lol, so maybe its a good quality of his~

[Frein]

May I suggest doing local leves, as well? It takes me several hours to do all my leves each reset and I don't feel that there is a need to shorten the cycle at all. If it was shorter, I would never have time to do anything else. Also, battlecraft leves have such absurd SP bonuses that if we could grind them non-stop, we would indeed be able to go 1-50 in a few days.

[Perrin_Aybarra]

It was a snipe at Perrin, i never much liked the way hes bad at listening to people. xD Otherwise hes great tho! He does deal with a lot of rather annoying characters after all lol, so maybe its a good quality of his~

lol yeah ok, I thought it was something like that but wasn't too sure, good snipe though :P


Edit: Also, when I read back my comments I do feel that I was kinda harsh and maybe almost out of place. I just hate when people request changes in a system that works fine when clearly they just need to experiment a little more. The fact remains that even at level 20, doing the leves of level 10 at 5 stars is viable and really easy until you get high enough to start tackling the level 30 leves.

[Hinotori]

Just because something is possible doesn't mean it is the way it should be. You "can" level in the current system, but it is often terrible and frustrating. My point is how this system is discouraging to anyone starting out in the game. Sure, once physical levels are done with things might get easier (or more likely harder for anyone who's physical level is even 1 level higher than the job). Level 30 leves are near impossible because I will die in literally 2 waves of attacks from the leve spawns. With stoneskin and protect I am able to take SOME of the level 30 leves at 26. This is going all-out nuke and in a perfect world I will kill them before that third attack. This is with a large amount of my points in VIT. The 3 level 20 leves in an area are not much total xp for a day long reset, and the level 10 leves at 5 stars are worth almost nothing (less than 500 sp for all the kills and completion) because of the "it's not recommended you do these outside the optimal range" penalty.

Now I'm not saying anything about the level 30+ experience because I'm not there yet. It is entirely possible that when you get to 30 and those leves start becoming easy that the game changes. Pre-30 the level experience is terrible and makes even a dedicated fan of the franchise question sticking through it.

Also, you should realize that I'm not asking for help in squeezing that 10% more out in a day to make the grind a little more bearable. I'm pointing out that I'm not a heavily dedicated grinder and probably a pretty typical moderate MMO player. I saw the changes to the game, felt it was better and was playing a lot. Hit the 20's and starting having problems where I didn't feel there were enough leves to keep the leveling process smooth and can't find parties at this level easily because of the lack of players or whatever. I stopped playing more than logging in once every day or so to do the leves. If the game cost anything to play I would have canceled because of the experience and having no way to know that it improves at later levels. If I'm feeling this way you can assume that others are too and THAT is bad for the game.

[Frein]

Even in the 40-50 stretch you can get at least half a rank every reset from your battlecraft leves and 20 aspect points. I can't imagine it being much worse in the 20s. Exactly how quickly do you expect to rank up?

[Hinotori]

That seems fine for 40-50. At 20 it is about the same because you only have 3 per city and the level 10 ones stop giving decent rewards after you exceed their level range. You also have very little else you can do in this range because of the lack of low level parties. This is where the problem comes in. Solo grinding is terrible xp, behests don't have anyone else doing them at this range either so you can only do them if you can solo them, etc. Add to that the 3 leves per city in this range and all 8 would not even give a level plus is more than the anima you would have. That part will at least be better after the transportation patch.

I would expect that 1-2 levels per day or 1.5 days would be more appropriate, but that also would include the ability to actually party which is missing at these levels. You end up feeling stuck because of the lack of opportunity to advance and that makes the game discouraging to play.