Do you think that the Twelve will eventually become major players in the plot?

[Brady672]

Potential Spoilers ahead! I couldn't fit it in the title.



Not counting the Calamity, in which they played a major part.

I don't know why I starting thinking about this, but what if we somehow see them again in the far future (like beyond heavensward). This reminded me of one line during the 2.0 storyline where Gaius (I think it was him anyway, it's been a while) compared the Twelve to the Primals. Additionally, we've seen instances of beings that weren't originally primals returning as such (Louisoix, Shive, I think King Mog counts too)

Basically, I was wondering if we will eventually see them return with a greater magnitude to the plot, as potentially primals, either benevolent and malevolent or even just to a lesser extent see them in any capacity.

[WyrahFhurrst]

I wouldn't mind seeing them in some sort of dream or Echo cutscene where they talk to us in some capacity. Not even something major, just showing up and talking to us.

[Noka]

This reminded me of one line during the 2.0 storyline where Gaius (I think it was him anyway, it's been a while) compared the Twelve to the Primals.

Nabriales, before his fight, mentions the staff's how Louisoux called upon the Twelve, IIRC. That what you mean?

Also, I'd point to the Twelve as primal figures. They're only brought into the world via a large concentration of aether and humanity's prayers. It's possible they'll have some major part their own, possibly an expac about them specifically, but they either need to have a miniscule part or a huge focus on them. The lore states they've mostly abandoned humanity. If they show up out of nowhere, devs really can't involve them without trivializing that.

Am I the only one hoping the Twelve are aspects of Hydaelyn, and that there's at SOME POINT a battle involving them to get aetheric power back to Hydaelyn? With them being fought or fought for.

[Balipu]

Yes, as Noka has said, the Twelve are very close to the primals. Louisouix even planned to kill himself before the twelve are fully summoned. We might talk to them like we talk to Hydaelin but they certainly won't phisically apear. Unless of course the Ascians want them to appear.

[Kuwagami]

Unless of course the Ascians want them to appear.

Like when Halone appeared to the Ishgardians to tell them where to build their city ?

[Allyrion]

Before, there were Archons which were the Twelve in human(well, mortal) form.
It didn't seem like they were destructive (in the Primal way) in this form, so it's possible if they ever become major players it might be related to being Archons.

Our Scions are called Archons too, but it hasn't been directly related yet to that usage.

[Alberel]

The Twelve that Louisoix summoned were primals because he summoned them as you summon any primal, with aether and prayer. That does not mean the Twelve actually are primals though. Remember that Bahamut and Shiva were not originally primals.

We know very little of the origins of the Twelve, if the legends are the result of countless embellished retellings of the deeds of real people, or if they even truly existed at all. It's very possible they still live given their parallels to the Ascians (and the theories that they may be the Ascians). A long while back around the launch of 2.0 we were told that we would eventually get answers on who or what the Twelve really are. They will become more important to the story around that time. I've also said this a few times but I'll say it again: the Moogle myth about King Mog and their service to the Twelve said they lived in a city in the Heavens. Now where are we going in this expansion...? I'd say expect at least a few new answers in 3.0.

[Kytrin]

Also, I'd point to the Twelve as primal figures. They're only brought into the world via a large concentration of aether and humanity's prayers. It's possible they'll have some major part their own, possibly an expac about them specifically, but they either need to have a miniscule part or a huge focus on them. The lore states they've mostly abandoned humanity. If they show up out of nowhere, devs really can't involve them without trivializing that.

I dunno...even if the Twelve did abandon us they could conceivably do an entire expansion around us finding out why they abandoned us and convincing them to come back. That would probably make for a very interesting plot point actually.

[Risvertasashi]

I don't know why I starting thinking about this, but what if we somehow see them again in the far future (like beyond heavensward). This reminded me of one line during the 2.0 storyline where Gaius (I think it was him anyway, it's been a while) compared the Twelve to the Primals.

He also points out our reluctance to call upon them, something something gorge on aether.

At this point, I can't see them being more than they have been: essentially a minor background item. The way the plot's gone and has been going leaves no hint that they might have further involvement. Ascians and Zodiark and all that seem to be more of a vs. Hydaelyn thing, and the other major plot lines mostly have to do with dragons.

Not that it couldn't happen but from what we've seen so far, it seems really unlikely in the near term.

I dunno...even if the Twelve did abandon us they could conceivably do an entire expansion around us finding out why they abandoned us and convincing them to come back. That would probably make for a very interesting plot point actually.

Of course, some sort of future expac exploring a previously minor theme is definitely possible. Happened with FFXI, after all...

But I've gathered from that one interview (or was it live letter?) that the 4.0 expac will have more of an undersea theme, or something along those lines.

[Kytrin]

Of course, some sort of future expac exploring a previously minor theme is definitely possible. Happened with FFXI, after all...

But I've gathered from that one interview (or was it live letter?) that the 4.0 expac will have more of an undersea theme, or something along those lines.

Yeah I remember that too. They said they had the choice between the sea and sky and chose the sky, so sea is likely next after this. Still, they also said something about wanting to run the game for at least 10 years, so it's totally doable eventually if they can't work it into the next one.