Paladin emnity generation is terrible

[Soular]

With an i110 Burtgang, I very rarely lose aggro on PLD even to i135 Flare-spamming BLMs, NINs, DRGs, any DPS/healers; the only times I do are those in which I have a lapse in attention for a few seconds (and even then, its rather simple to recover from, since its usually a single mob). On bosses, I'm only going to lose aggro if there is a better geared PLD in Shield Oath or a WAR going ham.

As was stated before, I'm fairly certain it is the player, not the game. Either gear issues or just how they handle things, though if the PLD has a Zeta I think its fairly safe to say the issue isn't with their gear. I don't feel there is anything wrong with PLDs ability to generate and hold hate.

[Kaitlen]

Didn't read whole thread but...

Definitely a player issue.

My paladin is i129 with Excalibur (almost done with Zeta) - nobody rips hate from me. I most always rip it from someone else... Even at Novus stage, I didn't have any issue...

The only problems I faces are people (dps) who tag a mob before me, but I quickly correct that. Also, those other tanks who like to play the pull-of-hate game in CT's... Your voke does nothing! /grin

[Neifirst]

Didn't read whole thread but...

Definitely a player issue.

But your just making a “statement” and you think that because its your statement it has to be the one and only true answer!? Yes such statements are definitely “player issues”. Its the item level problem here and if you disagree get straight i95 and show us all that you are superior holding against 1lvl 135 dds or ... fail

[Dualblade]

Its a player issue. With my i130 weapon right now I have yet to have any actual problems holding aggro against single targets, and in groups I only lose if I didn't group up mobs quite right for Scorn/Flash (and usually its only one enemy which a Provoke is enough to get it back to me to get more hate on it.)

Before Zeta came out (since around that time was when I got my Poe sword/shield) I was using a i90 weapon/i80-100 armor and was still able to hold hate off of people in full i130 gear including weapon. Granted I had some close calls, particularly with a Dragoon FC mate who knows very well what he is doing (more so than I for sure.), but then I'm an average tank and still was able to hold it off good dps.

[Kaitlen]

But your just making a “statement” and you think that because its your statement it has to be the one and only true answer!? Yes such statements are definitely “player issues”. Its the item level problem here and if you disagree get straight i95 and show us all that you are superior holding against 1lvl 135 dds or ... fail

The problem is that people don't keep up their rotations... The other tanks I see, some just don't keep up their rotations or simply don't combo correctly. Weapon or gear don't mean much if they don't have the basics down.

I have a friend who has an i81 PLD, fresh 50 player and he does choose to OT in cases where there's a higher geared tank present. But, in normal tanking situations... He doesn't appear to have problems holding hate when i120+ players are present.

Best answer: results may vary based on player skill, attentiveness and gear.

[Martin_Arcainess]

It can be a bit of both. Ilv and skill.

You can be the most geared out tank with the most STR ACC's on and highest yes but it means sod all if you ain't doing your role right.

You can be a lower ilv tank compared to add and healers but and still keep Aggro but if the gap is too big what do you expect?

[Jim_Berry]

I beg to differ, unless I just suck at WAR.

I recently began using my tanks more (lots of PF and DF groups waiting on tanks).

I'm no expert, but at the start of a battle, say, Imdugud (T10), as WAR when they make me MT, I lose hate a bit in the beginning. As PLD, I do not.

In a dungeon speed run, my WAR lose hate more on a mob than my PLD. Both are iLv113. In a particular run, the highly gear BLM (Zeta and Dreadwyrm) popped a couple of Flares. As WAR, I lost hate when I settled the mobs after pulling. As PLD, I can count on three fingers how often I lose hate under the same condition.

Someone in my FC found it surprising that I survive longer as PLD than WAR. Another shocked that my PLD hold hate better than my WAR.

[Kuwagami]

Oh look, in my 2.5 gcd I can only hit the mob with a subpar attack. Also, I have no burst emnity, oh look ninja just pulled, oh look blm just pulled. I better use my cooldowns, oh wait it's not helping. Oh look, party dead

seems to me someone doesn't know how enmity works. You're not supposed to body pull with your combo opener

[Pots_Talos]

Another shocked that my PLD hold hate better than my WAR.

This IS shocking. Pop CDs Overpower -> Overpower -> Overpower -> fall asleep.
If you are unsure on threat, do one more Overpower.

[Asierid]

But your just making a “statement” and you think that because its your statement it has to be the one and only true answer!? Yes such statements are definitely “player issues”. Its the item level problem here and if you disagree get straight i95 and show us all that you are superior holding against 1lvl 135 dds or ... fail

Then that means the tank needs to man up and get some more gear. An entire set of 110 is handed out these days in hours and can easily hold threat against BiS DPS.

Using gear as an excuse to suck is a pretty weak and bad arguement. It IS a player issue. Either you are not keeping up with gear (which is also your job), or you are not doing rotations properly. End of story.