A more summonery Summoner

[Saggo]

That absolutism is why the summoner argument always turns into bickering.

If paying attention to 11 games of history only means going backwards to you, then yes, that will be the only argument you ever see. You will only think the argument is about 11 if someone liked 11. Fortunately for the rest of us, it's possible to follow what was set in the previous games (i.e. tradition/history/trends) and still innovate (i.e. not backwards). Innovation is not limited to ignoring it all.

What I showed is why people were frustrated with it, why they were valid frustrations, and why there are so many people frustrated, the part you seemed to miss or ignore. And yes, it was so much more than Summoner=hazprimal and 14 should be 11, I really don't need to rewrite what I already wrote.

SMN is fine how it is now.

You missed the part where I said the job in 14 is mechanically sound. It's not a bad job, just a bad job to be labeled summoner.

Especially since this "traditional summoner" you speak of is closer to XIV's summoner then XI's.

Kind of set yourself up for that one.

It really is not, and I really did not.