Quote Originally Posted by AzraelX View Post
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See, that's the thing, it's almost too perfect. Everyone actually likes Aymeric. He, and the rest of the house of Fortemps much too open to outsides, if anything it almost sounds like to me the Ascians are playing a game to get the Warriors of Light in a city where they have their hands dug into the highest of powers. Unlike in Ul'dah, in which the Monetarists hardly control those in lower positions and the lower class, in Ishgard the Pope has an incredibly devout following.

If you don't trust the Holy See, why should you trust devout members of them? Aymeric is a man of faith still.


Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
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See, my only issue with that is I don't think Ysayle is so easily manipulated by the Ascians, she's so far the only one in the story to have the Echo and not be a Scion, with also direct knowledge of Hydaelyn as well saying something along the lines of "Don't squander Mother's gift" to the PC. Honestly, I think she's quite aware of the Ascians and their purpose, especially after the whole Shiva incident, and probably distances herself when she can from them. Why would Aymeric call shenanigans on the events? Raubahn did and we know what happened to him (Where how plausible it is or not :P). Aymeric really doesn't have a reason to shove himself into the midst of an Ul'dah/Eorzea conflict, even the leaders of the other GC (Or well their men) didn't want that.

After we depose the Pope (If we do), which both Aymeric and Haurchefant like being men of faith and all, why wouldn't they betray us? Remember, Haurchefant didn't disobey the church during that Coerthas incident, he just thought that the one guy was framed, if he was an actual Dravanian cohort he'd want him at the bottom of the ravine like anyone else. They still hate dragons and Dravanians.