New glamour dress on a male (art)

[Oce]

To the people who argue against giving options to characters I pose one question: Why?
Why limit?
If your answer is that it's too hard, take into consideration how quickly they changed male-exclusive items to unisex. Take into consideration that we are paying subscription fees for them to work, this is not a simply a labour of love, it is a job and as such their job should be to make their customers happy. ALL of their customers, which includes people who play male characters and want to see them dressed up pretty.

Transgender, gay, or ladies who want to look at pretty men, all of these reasons are valid and by no means so small a portion of the userbase so as to be negligible.

[Hysterior]

If Kuja could get away with it...

[Radacci]

To the people who argue against giving options to characters I pose one question: Why?
Why limit?
If your answer is that it's too hard, take into consideration how quickly they changed male-exclusive items to unisex. Take into consideration that we are paying subscription fees for them to work, this is not a simply a labour of love, it is a job and as such their job should be to make their customers happy. ALL of their customers, which includes people who play male characters and want to see them dressed up pretty.

Transgender, gay, or ladies who want to look at pretty men, all of these reasons are valid and by no means so small a portion of the userbase so as to be negligible.

you can never ever make everyone happy. whatever they do, they will make other ppl annoyed.
you know like: nerf coil so more ppl can clear it....oh look at all the rage. make even harder coil...oh look at all the rage. Keep SoF difficult, or nerf it; rage either way.
that blm-jester set....oooh so not manly, we hate it. these ppl can use that, but not me? oooh i'm boiling. females have more clothing options? equality or riot! oh guys got skirts now? how annoying!
All the devs can do, is just do stuff their way; then ppl can just deal with it, or not.

If Kuja could get away with it...

well he's rather androgynous, and it's not really a feminine looking outfit.

[Pomelo]

I'm irritated that people have been bringing up issues like sexuality. A character is not an extension of the player, and the assumption that it has some baring on sexuality is bogus. It's also a hypocritical viewpoint from anyone not playing a hyur of matching gender. If people choose to clothe their male character in a skirt, all the power to them. It has nothing to do with the sexuality, masculinity, or femininity of the person playing.

Also, people keep saying dress. It's not a dress, at most it's a skirt and even then it's more inline with the flames loincloth, which looks great on both male and female characters (as does the version in the OP).

So true, sexuality doesn't even need to be mentioned, its such a stereotype that only gay people would like blabla and so and so

[Oce]

you can never ever make everyone happy. whatever they do, they will make other ppl annoyed.

There's a difference between changing the game and simply adding something for aesthetic, though. I haven't seen people "riot" over someone having options before. A few people expressing a personal dislike for seeing something they don't want to see doesn't, in my mind, equate to the outrage caused by being locked out of options due to gender restrictions that the game was KNOWN for not having back in 2.0.

[Radacci]

There's a difference between changing the game and simply adding something for aesthetic, though. I haven't seen people "riot" over someone having options before. A few people expressing a personal dislike for seeing something they don't want to see doesn't, in my mind, equate to the outrage caused by being locked out of options due to gender restrictions that the game was KNOWN for not having back in 2.0.

there's lots of aesthetic stuff, ppl would like to see. I'm certainly for more options - maybe in time we will get much more, but they can't do it all at the same time. And considering the rather low interest in female->male dresses, it's probably not something they gonna focus on, for quite some time, if at all.
the only reason there's big fuss about females being locked out of something, is cause there's a lot of guys playing fem chars. there's never going to be as much fuss about it, if males are locked out from using fem looking stuff, cause most ppl don't want fem looking male chars.

[Ymal]

[QUOTE=Radacci;3009234]mens clothes are usually uni-sex, which is why some women prefer mens clothes. mens clothes generally are more inclined towards practicality, while women's clothes are generally inclined towards "women need to use make-up and sexy/cute clothes, so they will be attractive" ppl are ok with women in mens clothes, cause it's practical and neutral; there's nothing neutral about women's clothing, it's all about sex appeal./QUOTE]

I don't know in which country or state you live in but there is nothing sexy or appeal about a vast majority of what women wears, unless you are talking about celebrities and haute couture, ive yet to see any normal women clothes that scream sexy and appealing. And yes I'm a woman myself. If you talk about game wise it's the same, except for a few glamour, this game has very neutral gear even for female character.

It's just a minority of ppl that think men look good, in these women-specific clothes. If you want to wear it, by all means go ahead. But please understand you're a minority, and most ppl think it looks stupid.

So what if it does look stupid? This is a video game, we have already plenty of gear that look stupid and were created only to look stupid. Hell Goldbert is naked, he doesn't need anything to look 'stupid' or 'silly'.

devs can't make clothes for every sub-culture, and please every style. There's always gonna be ppl that complain "the majority of gamers who are mostly males, and don't like fem-looking clothes on their male characters"
so what do you think the devs are going to do? make female looking sets, for male chars, and watch the playerbase get angry cause they are forced to wear this new stupid looking end-game set? or just go with what most ppl want?

It's a piece of gear for glamour, no one is forced to wear anything, and even if it was a piece of end content, uh hello? glamour prisms? And there are already a few skirts in game as you show it yourself, hell, the majority of mage gear can be considered as dresses and I don't see that many people complain about it? so yeah sorry but I do not understand your point.

they are always weighting cost vs time, and they aren't going to spend any money or time on something that most ppl don't even like/care about.
I don't care one way or another, but i'm quite sure that if they added female dresses to male chars, there would be a bunch of ppl that would use it for fun, for a week or 2, then there would be maybe 5-/server.

But obviously quite a number of people do care about it since those thread keep appearing every time SE ignore male glamours and it usually gets a lot of support, if you ignore the usual one or two people who only comment to create havoc. There are a lot of gear and glamour options that I rarely ever see people wear, so what? SE isn't losing money on that nor are they making any pool to see what people want to wear or not.

[Laerune]

Let me start by thanking the OP for the nice art, you have style and skill.

FFXIV is heading towards the same destination as TERA: Only female characters get new outfit and classes etc. Do we realy want this in FFXIV? When the female avatars could not wear certain male only outfits, they complained on the forum and the developers caved and gave them the new outfits. When male avatars got the same treatment, they complained, but the developers looked the other way. Why is there a difference in the way female and male avatars get treated?

Like Doki, I think its very hilarious that the majority of the players who are against equality are the ones that are playing a different gender. Lets be honest here, majority of the anti-equality players are MALES playing a FEMALE AVATAR. Its funny, they think its weird and disgusting to be a male avatar with female outfits, but they themself are males playing a female character.... its the same.

Its a glamour, what another player wears is not going to effect you and if it does, then you need help. But the worst offenders is not them, but Square Enix for being oke with restriciting one side of the playerbase. Square Enix needs to be honest and explain why males can not have the same right as females. Is it, because the developers themself dont like the idea of a male wearing the female outfit? Is it, because the Japanese culture is not open to male crossdressing?

Whatever the reason is, we are all paying subscription fee to glamour, raid, level etc our avatars. Either make all outfit uni-sex, make female outfits only for female and male outfits only for males. But dont give one side of the playerbase extra oufits and screw over the other side.

[Radacci]

I don't know in which country or state you live in but there is nothing sexy or appeal about a vast majority of what women wears, unless you are talking about celebrities and haute couture, ive yet to see any normal women clothes that scream sexy and appealing. And yes I'm a woman myself. If you talk about game wise it's the same, except for a few glamour, this game has very neutral gear even for female character.

Hmm it's summer, and i see women walk around in these semi-transparent dresses, and "skimpy bikinis" and accessories and make-up, so they will look as good as possible...and men in t-shirt and shorts.

So what if it does look stupid? This is a video game, we have already plenty of gear that look stupid and were created only to look stupid. Hell Goldbert is naked, he doesn't need anything to look 'stupid' or 'silly'.

you lost me at hating Godbert, infidel! he's super manly and awesome!

It's a piece of gear for glamour, no one is forced to wear anything, and even if it was a piece of end content, uh hello? glamour prisms? And there are already a few skirts in game as you show it yourself, hell, the majority of mage gear can be considered as dresses and I don't see that many people complain about it? so yeah sorry but I do not understand your point.

yes, and ppl don't like most of the mage gear for that reason; esp that evenstar.
sure you can glamour ugly sets, but it sux you NEED to do it, so you don't have to see it. Personally i prefer not to glamour, but rather use the highest lv-best looking gear. For vanity stuff, i just use the vanity pieces, themselves. i kinda stopped playing BLM/SMN, cause they didn't have any interesting high lv pieces.

But obviously quite a number of people do care about it since those thread keep appearing every time SE ignore male glamours and it usually gets a lot of support, if you ignore the usual one or two people who only comment to create havoc. There are a lot of gear and glamour options that I rarely ever see people wear, so what? SE isn't losing money on that nor are they making any pool to see what people want to wear or not.

ofc they loose money on it, if they make stuff no one uses. they could have spent the time and money on something that ppl DO use. it's wasted time/money/effort to do stuff that ppl dont use.
it's like running a magazine that no one buys...then you go bankrupt.
But you're right, this thread has got quite some support, so we'll see. but there was lots of ppl that were grass! \o/ and nothing has happened. and body hair options.

[BreathlessTao]

yes, and ppl don't like most of the mage gear for that reason; esp that evenstar.

I think a more pressing reason for people not liking the mage gear is that there is little variety to them. It's robe after robe after robe, some more embellished, some less, but still the same. Which is partly why I said in another thread that the Coliseum gear is the first interesting one after 44 levels of robes/cowls.

ofc they loose money on it, if they make stuff no one uses. they could have spent the time and money on something that ppl DO use. it's wasted time/money/effort to do stuff that ppl dont use.

Well then by that logic, they should just be making stuff for the cash shop, even more money to milk, even more time/money/energy wasted if it's available for "free".... @.@


Ugh. I'm at a point where I'm just so...jaded. Hating the restrictions and imbalance of outfits, but at the same time I'm tired of arguing about it...of even bringing it up. There's just no point. :/
Re: look at the outcry about the bunny outfit. How many months has it been since then? Oh-so-graciously gonna make the ears available for males at some point in the future; in the meantime a floppy pair is 'in the works' - go to GS via airship and look at the four girls their with their floppy bunny ears. Asset is already in the game, for some reason it still takes ages to modify a few flags on it.




I'M ALSO REALLY FED UP OF BY THE TWITTER-LEVEL RESTRICTIONS ON FORUM POSTS TBH.