New Content Idea / minor rant.

[kyuven]

The only problem with flat-out random generation is that it's quite possible to end up with a dungeon that's actually impossible to complete. I'd be pretty pissed off if I went into an instance that I had no choice but to abandon.

and people would eventually discover the "easy" route, and if they get anything else they either reset til they get the one they want, or just don't do it for the day.
And since this is GROUP content, you'd have the issue SoF and other things on the roulette have where people leave immediately if it's not to their liking.

[Sylkis]

The only problem with flat-out random generation is that it's quite possible to end up with a dungeon that's actually impossible to complete. I'd be pretty pissed off if I went into an instance that I had no choice but to abandon.

Of course a randomly generated dungeon will be completable, its actually easy to check for. What a lot of randomly generated dungeons don't do is check for how easy the level is ... like the key and exit door are next to each other and they are next to the entrance

That said, its not hard to check for how short the shortest path to completion is either

[Mikedizzy]

This sounds like a really good idea but it would have to be much shorter in time...more like 1 hour and the rewards would have to be worth doing in some way or no one will do it.
The problem is that you can not make the rewards so good that you do not go get the gear you need from where it is intended (the instanced raids).
I would totally do this content if they did it correctly and it would be fun to go with fc or duty finder as well. They could make one or two items that you needed only come from this raid and then people would have to farm it if they wanted absolutely everything. Nice idea I like it.

[Morzy]

I like the dungeon idea. It actually reminds me a lot of the skill in RuneScape called Dungeoneering.

http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Dungeoneering

[elemental10]

Do you want a dungeon crawler?

Because this is how you get a dungeon crawler.

FFXIV: Diablo Reborn!

[Sylkis]

I like the dungeon idea. It actually reminds me a lot of the skill in RuneScape called Dungeoneering.

http://services.runescape.com/m=rswiki/en/Dungeoneering

This is what I thought of as well. I did play this briefly when it was introduced (long,long ago) and have an idea how it works.

-There are several floors you can start on, with the requirement that you finished the previous floor. A set of floors will follow a theme, with a boss at the end of the theme (e.g. floor 1-5 has a boss on floor 5)
-Each floor is randomly generated, and can be varied by the player (size, difficulty, "complexity" (probably number of keys and locked doors))
-You can't bring outside gear or items, the floors themselves contain the materials you need to craft them.
-Crafted items disappear when you finish the floor, but you can choose to keep a small number of them to carry to the next or other floors.
-Each floor contains a set of rooms. A room may be safe or dangerous, contain keys to other rooms or materials you can gather for crafting. A dangerous room requires you to defeat stuff before the doors unlock.
-Each floor contains an exit room that requires a key to enter, which is located somewhere else on the floor. The exit room may contain a boss, which can be difficult/impossible if you have not found any gear or items.

Also, HP regenerated very very slowly (it practically didn't) and MP-like resources did not regenerate in that game. This meant that you had to find resource restoring items or craft them to last through the floors instead of standing around waiting to regen.

[Lemuria]

Ya I'm sorry but I don't want to hear another word about people saying things require grind and no skill. They gave everyone content that required skill and over 90% of the community didn't even bother doing it. And now we are getting an LFR version of the content that required skill. So at the end of the day a lot of NA players are all talk and no action.

To be fair, what we got was content where even the smallest amount of latency would get you and your party killed. Instead of having to adapt on the fly, it's a by-the-numbers affair where everyone needs to do the exact same thing every run or die trying.

I personally love the idea of exploratory dungeons. FFXI had some great dungeons to explore, with Castle Zvahl being one of my favourites. Sometimes it's great to take off the reigns and let the players choose how to tackle content. They might rush in and kill everything that moves, or take a more systematic and structured approach. Either way, I like the idea, and would love to see content like this in the future.

Do you want a dungeon crawler? Because this is how you get a dungeon crawler.

Dungeon crawlers have that as pretty much their only content. The great thing about MMO's is that you can have a variety of different play-styles in one game without it harming the others. Having more options and more to do in general is never a bad thing, especially when it takes you away from the otherwise monotone grind for tomes.

[Lewtskie]

I Think user created dungeons could be a good idea. I had a hell of a ball with Moblin Maze Mongers back in XI. Take something like that, polish it up, tweak it a bit and having people making dungeons for friends just for fun could work. Can't expect super mega awesome treasure but making a dungeon for EXP source or having some glamor tack treasures or rewards.