wouldnt the new bidding system just encourage rmt?

[GenJoe]

It's really not some foreign concept..
WoW had this kind of raids for a long time where people would just buy the loot, and at the end of the raid, everyone would split the pot evenly.

They're just giving us that same kind of group as an option.

[Barimu]

It's really not some foreign concept..
WoW had this kind of raids for a long time where people would just buy the loot, and at the end of the raid, everyone would split the pot evenly.

They're just giving us that same kind of group as an option.

It was never included from Blizzard themselves don't spread false information. It was used through addons such as DKP mainly which didn't use in game gold but a point system.

[Callinon]

It was never included from Blizzard themselves don't spread false information. It was used through addons such as DKP mainly which didn't use in game gold but a point system.

You're thinking of the wrong thing.

GDKP was a player-run system by which loot was bid upon at the time it dropped. Because it was player run, the gold was accumulated by a single person and then distributed later.

[GenJoe]

It was never included from Blizzard themselves don't spread false information. It was used through addons such as DKP mainly which didn't use in game gold but a point system.

nor was DKP officially endorsed by Blizzard.. GDKP parties existed and still exists.. Why is that so hard to believe? It's not that far fetched..

Because its entirely different when the game developers make the system and use in game currency instead of a fake currency such as points that don't get distributed to everyone. The ideas the same but how each system is executed is extremely different.

You're just not getting it.. Gold parties ALREADY EXIST in MMOs.. All SE is doing is to give players the tools to execute it without any liabilities along the way.
If you're worried about SE officially endorsing the behavior, that's another story, but even DKP is not "officially" endorsed, it's player driven. GDKP's unofficial status should in no way affect its validity. SE's stance on making it an official party type within the duty finder just means that it cuts down the risk of fraud.

[Barimu]

nor was DKP officially endorsed by Blizzard.. GDKP parties existed and still exists.. Why is that so hard to believe? It's not that far fetched..

Because its entirely different when the game developers make the system and use in game currency instead of a fake currency such as points that don't get distributed to everyone. The ideas the same but how each system is executed is extremely different.

[Sylve]

In 7 pages, not one of you considered the possibility that there would be Minimum bid amounts and caps to the total?

Personally, I feel that there NEEDS to be a cap or limit on the bid process.

Though i kind of hope that the system kicks the bid off at a predetermined amount, and players choose to increase the price incrementally by, lets say 1k gil per rise.
The option could be:
[Bid] - [Decline]
Where Declining permanently puts you out of the running, Bidding continues until there is only 1 player left.

I hope also that we will not be able to personally set the bid amounts and starting points.

I imagine that there will be people with a lot of Gil who will intentionally push the Bid as high as possible just to frustrate other people.
But given it's Premade only, people who do that regularly will not be welcome into further Party Finders.
So i guess the system will police itself, after a while.
Though i look forward to a LOT of free gil falling into my lap in the meantime from trolls who get out trolled and forced to pay out millions for an item they can't/wont use XD

[Callinon]

Because its entirely different when the game developers make the system and use in game currency instead of a fake currency such as points that don't get distributed to everyone. The ideas the same but how each system is executed is extremely different.

Right. They're not the same. That's why they have different names.

[Zfz]

I wish the full details of these new loot rules were published much earlier so players can express opinions and find ways to abuse it. Thousands of players looking at a set of rules can catch loop-holes much quicker and more thoroughly than any group of professional developers. Any game dev thinking he can beat the collective minds of thousands of players is kidding himself.

[Riepah]

I wish the full details of these new loot rules were published much earlier so players can express opinions and find ways to abuse it. Thousands of players looking at a set of rules can catch loop-holes much quicker and more thoroughly than any group of professional developers. Any game dev thinking he can beat the collective minds of thousands of players is kidding himself.

Or maybe they simply don't care about abuse, see TT tournaments.

[GenJoe]

What abuse? it's a completely optional loot rule that you don't have to take part in.

People are already trading gear via the means of run selling, there may even be GDKP parties going on on some servers. The ONLY difference this new loot rule will bring about is to get rid of any room for fraud. If you don't like it, you don't have to use it.

GDKP parties tend to pop up when a good portion of the players are fully geared up and no longer have any reason to run raids.. It's a progression from run selling parties.. Once enough portion of the players have gotten their clears and gears, run selling's popularity dwindles, then people resort to GDKP parties to spice it up. If you don't like it, just don't join such parties.

If anything, this is the one thing the game needs to stimulate the economy and close the gap a little between crafters and non-crafters.