wouldnt the new bidding system just encourage rmt?

[Riepah]

will those gil go to people who pass on the items? there should be a way to make money for adventurers since launch. how come the adventurers are so poor? getting paid like 2000 gil per job and most of the treasures from dungeons are not sell-able.

The funny thing is that we're referred to as "sellswords" at some point in the story. Excuse me? If I were a sellsword, I'd hardly sell my services for such a ridiculously low amount. I'm helping people because I'm a nice person, not because their pathetic pocket money tempts me.

[Burningskull]

New loot rules will just make PF more toxic. Instead of "Know mechanics or die" or "3 wipes that's it" it'll be "i decide if you get gear" or "pay me for your gear".

[Fantasy9]

New loot rules will just make PF more toxic. Instead of "Know mechanics or die" or "3 wipes that's it" it'll be "i decide if you get gear" or "pay me for your gear".

This would be my fear as well

[AdamFyi]

New loot rules will just make PF more toxic. Instead of "Know mechanics or die" or "3 wipes that's it" it'll be "i decide if you get gear" or "pay me for your gear".

That's just a baseless assumption for now since we don't have much information on how it works. Not sure if anything more was said on the stream, but the notes don't say anything about it. So, if anyone has anything to add, please correct me. That aside, those PFs are most likely farm parties. You don't join farm parties if you don't know the fight. But, best save that for another topic, m'kay? This topic is about the auction function after all.

[Callinon]

New loot rules will just make PF more toxic. Instead of "Know mechanics or die" or "3 wipes that's it" it'll be "i decide if you get gear" or "pay me for your gear".

Then you don't join those parties.

If they don't fill and win consistently, people won't do that.

[randysquirrel]

Then you don't join those parties.

If they don't fill and win consistently, people won't do that.

Please.... sensible logic has no place on here.
Just let the people continue raging at filthy elitists and how everything will ruin everything.

[Fantasy9]

Please.... sensible logic has no place on here.
Just let the people continue raging at filthy elitists and how everything will ruin everything.

You say that like it doesn't/won't happen. I envy your optimism. I know a few servers that have nothing but those kinds of parties on party finder most of the day.

[Zfz]

You may start having gold-bid parties where over-geared people reserve 1 or 2 slots for "customers". You just have to meet the minimum iLv entrance requirement. You can do whatever you want, go afk, etc., if you pay an upfront deposit. If you choose not to, then you have to do a minimum of X dps on n-th boss or you will be kicked.

Since it will be very profitable to run these types of "statics", they will fill up the PF. (Don't believe me? Selling runs were already extremely profitable in FFXIV.) That makes it very easy to gear up a new class once you have the gil. And that is going to make veterans who enjoy earning gil from these parties to recommend that newcomers always try to make gil first, then gear up being a customer.

"It's a few million gils for your first set but after that you get to join the earning side and recover that cost quickly." Says these veterans. "So go level up crafting and make some gil first, once you ding 60."

It's going to hang newcomers dry. This has happened before in WoW and it may also happen in FFXIV.

The more people who think "yay at least I get some gil", the stronger it stimulates RMT, which raises the bid prices in general, in turn further fueling RMT needs.

The only way to combat this is to have a community that enjoy playing the game, instead of only enjoying getting loot.

[SpookyGhost]

Buy gil -> join bidding party -> buy loot.

[Souljacker]

That's just a baseless assumption for now since we don't have much information on how it works.

I think there's quite a bit of precedent for such assumptions but it may not be the doom and gloom some are predicting.

I think what SE is trying to do is shift the balance of power from the 2-3 merc groups that dominate every server to the rest of the players who may be able to help others clear content but don't have a lot of motivation to because they've already done it and aren't part of a merc team.

It's *almost* an excellent idea and could be very innovative, but we are just going to see how the playerbase receives it. I definitely agree that mercs are a huge issue in this game and it would seem SE agrees. We are just going to have to wait and see how this actually shakes out.