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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Takfloyd View Post
    With all the references to plots in the earlier games, I think it's such a huge waste that they didn't keep the original emperor around for this expansion, to be killed like Gestahl in FFVI. They could have the Varis take the role of Kefka, though honestly I don't like him as a villain from what we've seen - looks too much like a generic WoW villain - so I hope he's getting offed instead, at least.
    Yeah. I mean they had very detailed concept arts for Solus and just decided to kill him off without showing him once. Something is not right here. He might have faked his death to see who is truly loyal to him. Maybe he will be the one to kick Varis off the floating continent. I doubt he is in the Golbez armor, but I'm sure he is around. Maybe he is Pope Thordan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bloody View Post
    When did Lucia serve Gaius? I think you may be mixing her up with Castrum's boss Lydia.
    Her name is Livia, not Lydia.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Balipu View Post
    Yeah. I mean they had very detailed concept arts for Solus and just decided to kill him off without showing him once. Something is not right here. He might have faked his death to see who is truly loyal to him. Maybe he will be the one to kick Varis off the floating continent. I doubt he is in the Golbez armor, but I'm sure he is around. Maybe he is Pope Thordan.
    The concept art for him dates from 1.0, is the trick. It seems likely that after Yoshida came on and the overall arc of the plot was examimed, Yoshi and the story team determined that Solus wasn't the best fit for "leader of the Empire" conceptually for the story they wanted to tell, so they came up with a plausible excuse to put the character aside and create the Varis character instead, who, as a younger and more dynamic Emperor who has better reason to travel and confront the player character and get involved in Garlean campaigns, makes for a better representative character of Garlemald.

    Solus is gone, I don't think we need to go looking for him anywhere.

    "Lucia" is totally Livia though, there's only a few ways they could be foreshadowing that one more heavily and any of those options would simply make it too obvious.
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  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarDrake View Post
    Good stuff
    A fair point. Both the revaled and the hidden. Aaahh I can't wait to learn more about the garleans. Unlike wow where plotlines are either related to the Old Gods or utter garbage, I feal I am spoiled between the Dragons, the primals, Odin, the Allagans, the Ul'dan intrigue, the Ascians, the Garleans and Hildibrand. So much lore. *_*
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarthSanguine View Post
    Her name is Livia, not Lydia.
    Derp, was typing at work. Either way my question stands.
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    Lucia is most likely Livia because she's 1) a Garlean female 2) with some sort of (negative) past connection to the WoL/Player.

    Edit: Another hint towards it is that: Excluding Cid (who did not check her corpse) no other dialogue actually explicitly states she's dead. I made a list pointing towards her being alive somewhere in one of these threads.
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    Last edited by lilirulu; 05-28-2015 at 08:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lilirulu View Post
    Lucia is most likely Livia because she's 1) a Garlean female 2) with some sort of (negative) past connection to the WoL/Player.

    Edit: Another hint towards it is that: Excluding Cid (who did not check her corpse) no other dialogue actually explicitly states she's dead. I made a list pointing towards her being alive somewhere in one of these threads.
    If she is Livia, how did she make to make friends with the Ishgardians so fast? To become the 2nd in command of the Temple knights? And the most important, why his massive change on her understanding the point of view? Did she really change and now is with the good guys or this is all just a conspiracy?
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by lilirulu View Post
    Lucia is most likely Livia because she's 1) a Garlean female 2) with some sort of (negative) past connection to the WoL/Player.

    Edit: Another hint towards it is that: Excluding Cid (who did not check her corpse) no other dialogue actually explicitly states she's dead. I made a list pointing towards her being alive somewhere in one of these threads.
    I'll have to go rewatch cutscenes and stuff, but where is it mentioned she has a past connection to us?
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    Doubt it's Livia, no way a garlean could earn trust within ishgard that fast, especially one so loyal to gaius's plans. Also how could lucia be a dark knight? she can't use magic, dark or otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StarDrake View Post
    On that note, I do wonder generally: how has the disappearance of Gaius affected Garlean politics at large? THAT we can speculate on. We know he was a favorite of Solus and that he slew a number of pretenders and usupers to the Garlean throne, and I don't think it's coincidence that the Garleans suffered a civil war the instant he was really out of the picture. Just what was Varis' attitude toward Gaius? Is the guy in question in the OP someone who would've been disfavored by Gaius & Solus? Just how much is the Garlean political scene getting shaken up now that he's gone?
    Gaius, his legion as well as the 7th legion lost support of the empire at large, so I don't think his disappearance changed much, although He was trying to claim eorzea in hopes that solus would name him successor so maybe things would of changed 'if' he succeeded.
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