Why punish players who just want to play DoL DoH?

[Emorelle]

First I will say I do understand and I do think that maybe they should of mentioned that the expansion would be locked to those who haven't finished the content. I just don't see a way for them to have made it any different. I would say just find some friends and power through the content. if story isn't your thing then just skip it. If you have higher lvl friends then you don't really need to be good at combat. Good luck to you

[Duuude007]

What I don't understand is, why can't we get access to the expansion areas and jobs and anything else that doesn't relate to the main story...I mean you should be able to roam around anywhere but just not be able to do the main story and its related quests. Think about when you first started 1.0 or even ARR, you were able to go anywhere and do anything, why shouldn't it be possible with HW.

You could explore BCOB? Praetorium? Castrum Meridianum?

Oh, right. Prerequisites. Same deal, then.

[Quesse]

My first 50 was Miner. I didn't even have any intention of getting my DoW classes to 50 right away. I loved (and still love) how DoH and DoL's have their own CLASSES. I only wish they were on par with their DoW/M counterparts.

The original intent was to offer crafting and gatherers just as much content as DoW/M. But sadly that goal never became reality and FFXIV went the stale direction of every other MMO instead of blazing a new (much needed) path for those that dislike the hair trigger action, memorize mechanics treadmill that all MMOs have become.

Maybe one day I'll have my own Mine, Arbor, or Fishing Boat.

[GenJoe]

DoH and DoL's have their own CLASSES. I only wish they were on par with their DoW/M counterparts..

Yeah it's already annoying enough that crafters need a combat class in order to unlock levequests for each zones so I had to level my alt's crafting just using the main city leves or grinding it out, and now they throw us the MSQ lockout. Well, if the MSQ lockout only means that I won't be able to physically visit, but still have access to the recipes/mats. then I'm fine with it. But for some reason, I feel like HW will have all the mat vendors and recipes inside Ishgard, so my alt will likely never see the heavensward recipes.. Even my main, I still have to catch up on the MSQ just for that, it is a major annoyance.

[Felis]

Yeah it's already annoying enough that crafters need a combat class in order to unlock levequests for each zones so I had to level my alt's crafting just using the main city leves or grinding it out, and now they throw us the MSQ lockout. Well, if the MSQ lockout only means that I won't be able to physically visit, but still have access to the recipes/mats. then I'm fine with it. But for some reason, I feel like HW will have all the mat vendors and recipes inside Ishgard, so my alt will likely never see the heavensward recipes.. Even my main, I still have to catch up on the MSQ just for that, it is a major annoyance.

lv 51-59 recipes you would get from level up

[GenJoe]

lv 51-59 recipes you would get from level up

Hey I didn't level an alt builder of the realm just so I could make 51-59 recipes :P I could do that just as easily on my main.. Hopefully the specialization system remains what they said it would be and I won't even need my alt then.

[Khemorex]

I dont care about the combat in this game. I dont care about the storyline. I just want to experience the new DoL DoH content, race my chocobos, tend my garden and be part of the community. I dont think thats too much to ask in an mmorpg. Im happy with the game that way and gladly pay my sub for that content available to me. Locking the expansion behind 100+ required combat centric quests after already reaching 50 with a combat class is disheartening.

I wish they would've said from the beginning at 2.1 that these quests were required to unlock the expansion.

Was it mentioned that u cant enter Ishgard if u dont finish the required story quest? Maybe u can still go there without having the quest?
If its not like that then it should be changed so that a lvl50 DoL or DoH still can visit Ishgard to , they wouldnt have access to the story quests ofc , but they can go visit the new lands at least

[GenJoe]

Was it mentioned that u cant enter Ishgard if u dont finish the required story quest?

I believe so, you need to have your MSQ past 2.55 in order to access Ishgard.. As to if you can simply visit before that point, it wasn't perfectly clear but I believe it was nuanced that you can't. (Lore reasons apparently)

[Malevicton]

If this is inconvenient for you, then sorry. But let's not make it out like part of the player base is forcing their will on crafters. Crafting is a sidequest. The Main Scenario Quest is, well, the main quest. In almost all games ever you have to keep doing the main quest objective in order to unlock the side objectives. I don't see a problem.

Honestly the crafting gameplay is already far more extensive than any other MMO I can think of. It's still a sidequest though, and it being treated as a sidequest is not "punishment" for the players who happen to favor that sidequest.

Also, the msq is really not as insane of a requirement as this thread makes it sound. If you genuinely dont care about it at all and just slam through cutscenes you can be done before you finish reading this.

[Delily]

The original intent was to offer crafting and gatherers just as much content as DoW/M. But sadly that goal never became reality and FFXIV went the stale direction of every other MMO instead of blazing a new (much needed) path for those that dislike the hair trigger action, memorize mechanics treadmill that all MMOs have become.

Do you have an example of an MMO that has had success that hasn't followed this model? As far as I know, The Secret World, Darkfall Online, and Wildstar haven't fared as well as people wanted; for SE to innovate, it has to have a successful product to innovate with.