I feel like I've won a battle

[Renryuu]

It is actually nothing like WoW's lock gameplaywise.

No offense, but have you played a Warlock in WoW? Let's make a comparison list:

Aether Flow stacks = Soul Shards
Smn dots = Warlock dots
Ruin/Ruin 2 = Shadow Bolt/Malefic Grasp (as in it's a filler spell while dots are ticking)
Pets = pets (minus the pvp pet and debuff remover pet and the burst aoe pet)

And with the new stuff:
New Tri-Disaster = Soul Burned Soul Swap
Dreadwyrm Trance = Metamorphosis
Ahk Morn = Chaos Bolt

Now if that doesn't look like FF14's Summoner is a hodge podge of WoW's Warlock with all 3 of it's specs mashed together with a greater emphasis on Affliction, then I don't know what does. After all, I fairly sure there was an interview in which Yoshi-P mentions that WoW was an inspiration to ARR and Summoner shows it with how similar it is to Warlock. Heck I quickly grew bored of Summoner simply because of the fact that I did feel like I was playing Warlock all over again which I had played as in WoW for nearly 3 years in a row and so I just couldn't stand to keep playing essentially the same class over and over again.

[Galand]

Well according to the Twitch steam Q and A, in order to use or go into Bahamut stance it costs Aether flow, and then you need 3 stacks to use the Deathflare.

So how is this going to work with Tri-Diaster, or bane/fester?

[Higashikata]

Well according to the Twitch steam Q and A, in order to use or go into Bahamut stance it costs Aether flow, and then you need 3 stacks to use the Deathflare.

So how is this going to work with Tri-Diaster, or bane/fester?

There's bahamut aether and aether flow. If you read or watched it like you claim to you would know these things.

[Galand]

There's bahamut aether and aether flow. If you read or watched it like you claim to you would know these things.

Uh no there isnt, if your watching the live stream Q and A on twitch that is going on, you NEED Aether flow to switch into Bahamut Stance, and then your Aether Flow simply becomes Bahamut Aether Flow, mr know it all

http://www.twitch.tv/pcgamesn

[Higashikata]

Uh no there isnt, if your watching the live stream Q and A on twitch that is going on, you NEED Aether flow to switch into Bahamut Stance, and then your Aether Flow simply becomes Bahamut Aether Flow, mr know it all

http://www.twitch.tv/pcgamesn

They said it requires aether flow to be on cooldown to use.

I don't know why this surprises me because in this very thread we've confirmed you've never played summoner.

[Galand]

They said it requires aether flow to be on cooldown to use.

I don't know why this surprises me because in this very thread we've confirmed you've never played summoner.

Sure whatever you say, because I forgot what level you get useless tri-bind at?

Go look up my character before you run your mouth on what I have or have not played

[Higashikata]

Sure whatever you say

Thanks for conceding.

Even if it does cost an aether flow, you're trading a fester for Ahk Morn. This is a no-brainer even you should view as a good trade.

[Alberel]

Well according to the Twitch steam Q and A, in order to use or go into Bahamut stance it costs Aether flow, and then you need 3 stacks to use the Deathflare.

So how is this going to work with Tri-Diaster, or bane/fester?

I'm not sure why Higashikata is attacking you like that as it sounds more like she is the one that wasn't paying attention. I know the part of the stream you mean. Nick said that when you enter Dreadwyrm Trance you exchange your current aetherflow stacks for Bahamut aether stacks. I actually think he was mistaken as he didn't seem very sure about his answer and it sounded like he wasn't even that sure of what the condition was to enter the trance. The QA guys told him to use it when Aetherflow's cooldown was at 30s but is that the requirement to use it or a suggestion for when is best to use it? The stack converting thing wouldn't make any sense either as it would mean no SMN would ever use Fester or Bane ever again. I doubt SE is that stupid.

The actual live letter translation said something about generating Bahamut aether stacks so there's probably some way to build stacks once you enter the trance.

https://youtu.be/YZf7vBdsVu0?t=23s

In order of appearance: Tri-Disaster, Painflare, Dreadwyrm Trance, Ruin III, Deathflare.

He more or less explained what they all do in the live letter, and the recent dengeki article gave more clarification on how Dreadwyrm Trance and Deathflare work.

Fairly sure Painflare and Ruin III aren't in that video. Remember the job actions video did not show all of the skills being added. There was no mention at all of Ruin III or Painflare in the live letter; hell everyone thought Deathflare was called Akh Morn until yesterday.

The skill you call Painflare was also used before Dreadwyrm Trance when we already have confirmation it requires the trance to use... so yeah it's not Painflare.

[Spellbinder]

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If they're not in the video, then what are the three other skills in the video we saw aside from Dreadwyrm Trance and Deathflare? Also, have you not seen the Q&A summary from the live letter? English, Japanese, or Otherwise? This is what he said in the video in Japanese. I broke it up in a previous post for clarity. Also note they're not necessarily in the same order executed in the video.

エーテルフローを消費する範囲攻撃 - An area attack that uses aether flow. This is Painflare.

さらにバイオ、バイオラ、ミアズマの三つを全て同時にかけるアクションとか - An action that casts Bio, Bio II, and Miasma at the same time. This is Tri-Disaster.

新しい魔DDとかですね、ダイレクトダメージ魔法とか - A magic direct damage attack. (The single target one in the video) This is Ruin III.

あとは新しいその６０になってからローテーション、その今までのスキル回しに加えてくる二つのアクション - Two actions that will be added to (or rather affect) your rotation at level 60. This is Dreadwyrm Trance and Deathflare.

That's all five skills shown in the video. And yes, those are all of the skills being added.

[Alberel]

If they're not in the video, then what are the three other skills in the video we saw aside from Dreadwyrm Trance and Deathflare? Also, have you not seen the Q&A summary from the live letter? English, Japanese, or Otherwise? This is what he said in the video in Japanese. I broke it up in a previous post for clarity. Also note they're not necessarily in the same order executed in the video.

エーテルフローを消費する範囲攻撃 - An area attack that uses aether flow. This is Painflare.

さらにバイオ、バイオラ、ミアズマの三つを全て同時にかけるアクションとか - An action that casts Bio, Bio II, and Miasma at the same time. This is Tri-Disaster.

新しい魔DDとかですね、ダイレクトダメージ魔法とか - A magic direct damage attack. (The single target one in the video) This is Ruin III.

あ とは新しいその６０になってからローテーション、その今までのスキル回しに加えてくる二つのアクション - Two actions that will be added to (or rather affect) your rotation at level 60. This is Dreadwyrm Trance and Deathflare.

That's all five skills shown in the video. And yes, those are all of the skills being added.

Painflare has already been confirmed by multiple sources to require Bahamut Aether stacks to cast. Deathflare uses all three stacks for a huge AOE, whilst Painflare uses one stack. The skill you identify as Painflare is NOT Painflare.

Have you not noticed that most of the other jobs have had skills named that aren't shown in the video? Have you not noticed that there were skills shown for other jobs that were not named in the live letter? The video is NOT a conclusive display of everything coming.

We saw Tri-Disaster, Dreadwyrm Trance and Deathflare. The other two skills in the video are currently unknown unless. Just because you assume they are Painflare and Ruin II does not make it true.