Patience about new job info and the conclusions to draw from it.

[Mugiawara]

Though i do understand that all other classes seem to get much flashier additions compared to nin. but maybe cause nin is just a well designed job to begin with, that already had heavensward in mind when it got introduced.

NIN's skills look so underwhelming to play from that video, it almost looked exactly the same from what they had.
I only seen 2 skills with actual different animations. :L

I just don't see what's so bad about positional strikes. Having to move around an enemy to get that extra bit of damage couldn't possibly be much different than running away from incoming AoE. At least if you mess up, it's the enemy that's still getting hurt.

It is neat, but there's a reason why you don't see that many MNK's around.
Having to do abc, 123 and xyz for damage and trying to keep GL up is a lot of work.
Just movements with Mudra lag is going to be hell for NIN.

[Hik0]

Just that the jobs they presented after NIN had actual changes mentioned. SMN for example, as well as BRD and SCH. Actual new mechanics were discussed there, so time constraints are not an excuse for why NIN's presentation was underwhelming.

However, currently there are more times where you continuously use Huton which caused many situations where other ninjutsu wasn't being used as effectively. Therefore you'll be able to extend the effect of Huton. By combining new weapon skills in the rotation you’ll be able to maintain the Huton effect, so you can now use ninjutsu other than Huton to output much higher DPS.

Furthermore, we have added positioning to several weapon skills. Current ninja doesn’t have much positioning and was able to attack from any direction freely, so we included positioning for some.

Other than this, we added an ability which adjust another party members enmity. Ninja’s specialty is to be able to deal large damage from the start of the battle, so this skill is in place to support the tank in a situation where the enmity becomes unstable.

they have new mechanics, people just focus on the positional as if yoshi said that
"now ninja:
we have added positioning to several weapon skills and nothing else
. nect job

[Riepah]

they have new mechanics, people just focus on the positional as if yoshi said that
"now ninja:
we have added positioning to several weapon skills and nothing else
. nect job

Adjusting enmity for a single target is hardly exciting. And being able to extend Fuuton only leads to Raiton being used more often - Raiton isn't new or exciting either. And those two things are the only stuff they mentioned for Ninja.

[Craiger]

NIN's skills look so underwhelming to play from that video, it almost looked exactly the same from what they had.
I only seen 2 skills with actual different animations. :L

It is neat, but there's a reason why you don't see that many MNK's around.
Having to do abc, 123 and xyz for damage and trying to keep GL up is a lot of work.
Just movements with Mudra lag is going to be hell for NIN.

You don't see many MNKs around, because they're demanding to play (at least if you want some results), but that doesn't mean they aren't fun and engaging to play... I main MNK, and it's the most fun I've had out of any job, because of what you mentioned.

NIN doesn't have GL stacks, which is pretty much 80% of the challenge for MNK... Positionals is something that you will be able to do in your sleep after a while. You just take a step right or left most of the time...

Mudra lag isn't as hard to manage as GL stacks is, so I don't see the problem.

You will miss positionals because of mechanics, but so does MNK, and you can still get high DPS.

[StouterTaru]

Mudra lag isn't as hard to manage as GL stacks is, so I don't see the problem.

"Mudra lag" more often than not means "I mash buttons until I get a result, and that makes the bunny appear"

[Hik0]

Adjusting enmity for a single target is hardly exciting. And being able to extend Fuuton only leads to Raiton being used more often - Raiton isn't new or exciting either. And those two things are the only stuff they mentioned for Ninja.

imo loosing mobilty as BRD isn't exciting either.

BRD(as most of the jobs) also got only 2things mentioned. Doesn't mean they won't have anything else.

[Craiger]

"Mudra lag" more often than not means "I mash buttons until I get a result, and that makes the bunny appear"

As bad as the lag can be for some, they can't balance the whole job based on some bad experiences I'm sorry... You have to press the mudras just once, however much lag you have, and don't press too early if you have that much lag. Sucks, but you don't gain anything by being to hasty and getting the rabbit in return.

NIN just is that kind of job at the moment sadly, where you kinda have to decide somewhat on how high/low ping you got, or if you can stand doing it with higher ping.

The majority of players don't have that high ping, and therefore they balance to that. I live in Sweden, so I'm not right next to the servers or anything, but I don't experience any mudra lag at all, it's pretty much instant without delays. Even when I've had higher ping, it hasn't been a problem, so it has to be pretty high ping to get that much problem.

imo loosing mobilty as BRD isn't exciting either.

BRD(as most of the jobs) also got only 2things mentioned. Doesn't mean they won't have anything else.

Quick response to that...

You most likely don't want to keep that BRD song on if you are moving, so I don't understand why everyone is talking about losing mobility... If you keep it on while moving, you're probably doing something wrong.

[Hik0]

You most likely don't want to keep that BRD song on if you are moving, so I don't understand why everyone is talking about losing mobility... If you keep it on while moving, you're probably doing something wrong.

you totally missed my point
I don't blame the abilities I blame emo nins crying because they don't find their new abilities exiting enough, choose to totally ignore them and act like they won't get anything at all but positional

[Craiger]

you totally missed my point
I don't blame the abilties I blame emo nins crying because they don't find their new abilities exiting enough, choose to totally ignore them and act like they won't get anythingthing at all but positional

Oh okay, I get what you mean.

Although they really didn't give much info on NIN, I agree that people are being too negative...

NIN was the last added job, and are much more fresh on how they want the jobs to play. Most of the additions for other jobs have been to "fix" some aspect of it, but NIN doesn't really have anything like that which needs fixing(Mudra lag is another thing entirely). I see some wanting another Mudra, but really? We would never hear the end if the problems that would bring...

[Sapphic]

People may have a right to have opinions about the general direction we are given for the game.
It definitely goes too far, to the point of outrage, way too often without enough knowledge to warrant it.

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Well said, liked.