The whole Summoner "has been re-worked" is sad

[Samcaesar]

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Honestly the stream did what it was suppose to do, get us talking about Heavensward and the new abilities from it.

And oh god the reading of the 3.0 patch notes will be both incredibly interesting and incredibly boring, it's going to be so awkward to watch lol.

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The issue I've got with "It's summoning because we're using Akh Morn!" is that let's be honest, it's flavor text to make it feel more like 'Summoner' but would anyone really be happy if we didn't summon Titan Egi and instead casted Tumult in an AoE after Titan's weird head showed up for a second (Which, in my incredibly limited knowledge of Final Fantasy seems more like Blue Mage right >.>;?) ? That's what I feel what people say "This doesn't feel like SMN" mean. Though I do agree, bandage up what we've got then work from there, but folks seem at odds of what the "actual" problem" is.

[Musashidon]

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actually no blue magic is you get hit by an attack and learn it. you don't not summon the monster to use the skill (it's why blue magic and ahk morn are different)

besides FF 10 11 13

when you summon it's a big nuke attack (or heal/buff) the summon pops out does it's thing and leaves. i personally love that we are getting a summon nuke (it pops out does it's attack and leaves) cause it's how i wanted summoner to be. (course i am fine with summons also being pets)

[Zaft]

in that case they need better planners.

Funny thing about planning. The best planners are the ones who can adapt to new and changing ideas, technology, etc. The ones who lay out a plan and stick to it come Hell or high water are the ones who generally fail.

when you summon it's a big nuke attack (or heal/buff) the summon pops out does it's thing and leaves. i personally love that we are getting a summon nuke (it pops out does it's attack and leaves) cause it's how i wanted summoner to be. (course i am fine with summons also being pets)

That's how I originally envisioned SMN in this game with the artwork they provided. All the abilities of ACN (with the carbuncle pet still), but able to do summons like in many of the single player games (show up, nuke, leave).

That being said, I love Affliction warlock (and Demonology, since it seems to be going down that road with Metamorphasis/Bahamut Trance), so I'm happy with how it came out.

[NovaLevossida]

(Which, in my incredibly limited knowledge of Final Fantasy seems more like Blue Mage right >.>;?) ?

They don't summon monsters. They just learn skills from monsters and incorporate those abilities into their own arsenal. Picture a person living out in the wilderness picking up how to live with wolves or something. Now apply that to monsters as well. For something mindboggling, check out their spell list in FFXI:

http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Blue_Mage#Blue_Magic

[Dualblade]

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Blue magic generally comes from normal monsters, though not all (Kimarhi, who's limit break was Blue Magic, had his strongest attack learned from Omega for example. Of course he was a bit different from normal Blue Magic users, but still.)

Summon magic in most of the games was one big attack, higher mp then your usual spells, special/longer animation...and usually not worth the cost, though IX atleast attached it to both White Mages so they had more attacking options.

Also some (like Bahamut and Levi in IV, Bahamut was the usual one you had to beat first in other games too) you had to defeat the summon first to use them.

[Alberel]

actually no blue magic is you get hit by an attack and learn it. you don't not summon the monster to use the skill (it's why blue magic and ahk morn are different)

besides FF 10 11 13

when you summon it's a big nuke attack (or heal/buff) the summon pops out does it's thing and leaves. i personally love that we are getting a summon nuke (it pops out does it's attack and leaves) cause it's how i wanted summoner to be. (course i am fine with summons also being pets)

I think the point is that we are basically using the skill of an enemy, whether that enemy is a primal or not is irrelevant. When using Dreadwyrm Trance the SMN doesn't actually summon out an incarnation of Bahamut to cast Akh Morn, and the SMN doesn't even change in appearance the way Iceheart/Ysayle did with Shiva, so mechanically it is just the SMN using a skill they copied from Bahamut... We might be channeling his aether but we're not actually summoning him. That is actually closer to a Blue Mage than a Summoner in my opinion.

[Musashidon]

but we're not actually summoning him.

yes we do. i even gave the link showing us summon bahamut.

https://youtu.be/kbvv0rgrT4k?t=126

summoner clearly summons bahamut to use the skill.

[Nestama]

Not really summoning him. More like invoking.

[Musashidon]

Not really summoning him. More like invoking.

it's summoning.

[Averax]

Not really summoning him. More like invoking.

Summon is actually a synonym of Invoke