Machinist Ammo System.

[Nutz]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

That's damn impressive. Apparently historical archery is nothing like most people believe. If anything Archers in this game are terrible with their incredibly low arrow output, but maybe that's a consequence of having to summon your arrows from the void or whatever it is they do.

[Spawnie]

im actually more interested in turretts.. are the ai controlled or player controlled in the video they looked ai controlled tho :/

[Slirith]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

doing that in combat? don't see it working too too well under attack(melee wise). Then again this is a RPG

[Omegakiyohime]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Just gonna put this here since an actual archer might not be really what you think.
http://geekdad.com/2015/01/danish-archer/
http://www.lykopis.com/lars-andersen-fact-or-fiction/

Lars is impressive, no doubt, but there have been some well reasoned responses to his historical interpretation and the methods that he used to come to this discovery. Not saying he is wrong, but being impressive doesn't make him the end all be all on archery.

[Alberel]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

I hope you're aware that video is about as far from combat archery as you can get. It's performance archery, designed to impress gullible audiences with clever tricks that would serve no real purpose in combat.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/larsandersen.asp

http://nerdist.com/did-that-danish-a...hole-internet/

Whilst all of his stunts are real as far as anyone has been able to tell none of them are practical. Most of them took him dozens of attempts (anything more than one in a real combat situation would mean a dead archer) and many of them saw him using special props, such as a slow-moving, chunkier bamboo arrow when he shot one out of the air. His rapid-fire shots are all done at close range as well... firing at that speed would severely limit accuracy and arrow flight speed (making the weapon far less dangerous).

What he does in that video is both impressive and highly skilled but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with real combat archery. Most of the historical 'facts' he mentions are completely made up as well, he just counts on no one actually bothering to do any research into the actual history of archery to discredit him.

[EdwinLi]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Those are not real archery combat styles. Just fancy tricks to appease the people.

Before people started doing fancy tricks in Archery, Archery was more about position and aiming.

It is nice that Archer/Bard is finally getting a Archery stance now and function more like a Normal Archer with this new song.

I hope you're aware that video is about as far from combat archery as you can get. It's performance archery, designed to impress gullible audiences with clever tricks that would serve no real purpose in combat.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/larsandersen.asp

http://nerdist.com/did-that-danish-a...hole-internet/

Whilst all of his stunts are real as far as anyone has been able to tell none of them are practical. Most of them took him dozens of attempts (anything more than one in a real combat situation would mean a dead archer) and many of them saw him using special props, such as a slow-moving, chunkier bamboo arrow when he shot one out of the air. His rapid-fire shots are all done at close range as well... firing at that speed would severely limit accuracy and arrow flight speed (making the weapon far less dangerous).

What he does in that video is both impressive and highly skilled but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with real combat archery. Most of the historical 'facts' he mentions are completely made up as well, he just counts on no one actually bothering to do any research into the actual history of archery to discredit him.

Ya the real archers were not acrobatic as certain people would make them out to be. They functioned more as the backline units and focused more on positioning and aiming. Close combat was their main weakness which is way a basic sword or other type of light weapons were used for their melee combat instead.

[Wadoka]

I would offer Kyudo, the Japanese "Way of the Bow" as a counterbalance to Lars, or even a traditional English yeoman. To practice a lifetime, endeavouring to make One Perfect Draw, One Perfect Shot...

...CRITICAL HIT! Force: Infinity!

[EdwinLi]

im actually more interested in turretts.. are the ai controlled or player controlled in the video they looked ai controlled tho :/

From the looks of the Job skill trailer for 3.0, Turrets may have their own command bar considering there was a lockon ability used by Machinist in the Skill Trailer.

We may have to command them first what to target before they can fire.

[Arcell]

I feel like there really wasn't enough solid info given to really say anything about it. They said that your concerns would be similar to Bard (pseudo support) but different specific things you'd be worried about.

So there's "Ammunition" stacks, which you get 5 of for using Reload. Are you required to have them to use any/certain weaponskills? How frequently can we use the Reload and Quick Reload, which gives 1 stack instead? Vague mention of some unspecified bonus for reloading while you still have Ammunition stacks that have not been used. Said that you would want to use downtime in fights to reload.

Something mentioned about some stacking proc buff but it was incredibly vague. Using "Shot 1", then "Shot 2", then "Shot 3" gives increasing % chance of this proc but no mention if those are specific weaponskills, weaponskills from a particular group or just any gun-based weaponskills. No mention of what this proc buff does or what it affects.

Turrets were mentioned in passing and all we really saw was one deployed and auto-attacking an enemy. Supposedly grant some kind of buff/debuff around them but nothing mentioned or shown in regards to that.

Bombs were mentioned as weaponskills, one was shown in the video. No mention if there are any mechanics that affect them.

The previously mentioned attachments saw absolutely no mention in the Live Letter and previous info on the system has been incredibly spotty at best.

Honestly, I just don't think there's enough real info to go on to predict much about them.

[Kotemon]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Some of that looks more like things Hunters would use through dense areas. War Archers were not running around about the battle field. Many were in rowed positions either kneeling in the front or standing behind. One row would fire second row would follow up with either a third row or back to the first row. This is how they created the volley of arrows.Repetitive draws of a bow will tire out a person after a while and they had to have a full draw to make them usefull. That's why a formation of three to five rows of archers would give them time to rest a bit so they can maintain output. Many would carry arrows in their hand and knock like that for lighter arrows and if the combat is close quarter. Others would just keep them in the ground where they stood, to taint their tips and to have them ready to fire. Also Chain mail was never strong to any type of piercing weapon. It only protected from cuts and slashing weapons.

As for the arrow knock being left or right. That depends on the bow and the style of draw you are using. Here are better videos about Archery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NrNIbWAWlw

and I counter that video with this one as it'll inadvertently explain the purpose of Wanderer's Minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cr_1z3GwxQk

Getting back to Machinist. I am wondering if they'll eventually get anything like Snap shot or Quick Draw. By the sounds of it it seems like they may eventually get an ability that'll ignore the amo stack for one attack or reduce the reload timer/recast to rebuff on amo for a set amount of time.