[plea] please fix Mudra Lag first, plus please reconsider added positionals for NIN

[Riepah]

if you don't want to mess up your mudra you need to listen to the sound effects. every step of mudra has 2 sound effects, one when you press the button and another one when the mudra actually applied to your character, listen to the second sound effect before pressing next button.

Just that that method doesn't help if you see the animation for your Ninjutsu go off as planned, only for the animation to suddenly abort half a second later. If you in the meantime queued the next weapon strike, you get a bunny.

So waiting for sound effects and even visual effects doesn't always solve the issue.

[meldon90]

Please learn to play final fantasy XIV and get used to positionals, about time they added em to this class.

[SDaemon]

Please learn to play final fantasy XIV and get used to positionals, about time they added em to this class.

Um what? What does your judgemental statement about learning to play XIV have to do with any of this?

[Aethaeryn]

one more thing: it's not "mudra lag", it's your internet lag.

"Mudra lag" is just what people are using to refer to the delayed input some people experience (rather than typing out something longer every time). The further you are from the server, the higher latency you're going to have. SE put the NA servers in Montreal, so anyone living on the western side of the continent is going to experience delay. I'm lucky enough to live in Buffalo, New York and am fairly close to Montreal, but I still occasionally get a bit of delay that makes my normal quick mudra presses not pick up correctly. If you want a good comparison, go find some videos of Japanese players using mudras and compare it to someone who lives in California or something.

[NovaLevossida]

one more thing: it's not "mudra lag", it's your internet lag.

The general lag with the game only interferes in such a drastic way with this one ability set, so no matter the source of the lag, it's a problem still with this one ability set. If they can't make an ability set that can function properly within expected and reasonable levels of latency, they should rework that ability. The fact that it's been present for so long without a fix is both disappointing and downright sad, not to mention it's outright insulting to add positionals to attacks without resolving this longstanding issue.

[AlphaDragoon]

The general lag with the game only interferes in such a drastic way with this one ability set, so no matter the source of the lag, it's a problem still with this one ability set. If they can't make an ability set that can function properly within expected and reasonable levels of latency, they should rework that ability. The fact that it's been present for so long without a fix is both disappointing and downright sad, not to mention it's outright insulting to add positionals to attacks without resolving this longstanding issue.

I agree. Adding positionals sucks when they said that the whole point of the Job was to find complexity elsewhere, but I can deal. I played Monk before. But adding positionals while the fundamental system on Ninjas (Mudras) is still flawed for a great deal of your playerbase, making it even less fluid and more clunky? I don't understand their logic.

I hope they reconsider on the positional thing until they resolve the Mudra concern. Once that's fixed, sure (even if it's not in line with that they originally said).

[Neri]

Maybe if they could make you able to weave each Mudra letter between skills? Might that ease it up a bit?

[NovaLevossida]

Maybe if they could make you able to weave each Mudra letter between skills? Might that ease it up a bit?

It would slow you down too much. I think if they can't fix the mudra lag, they should let you execute your failed mudra when the bunny pops up, and the bunny on your head resets the mudra so you can try again. As it is, the punishment for mudra lag isn't like dropping a combo where you still do some DPS and just restart the combo. The punishment is not only missing out on the intended effect (usually haste in my experience) but also having to wait for duration of the cooldown to try again.

[Spiritreaver1217]

Not false. Please note where I said "Other classes are getting new concepts added with new abilities." NIN is the only class having changes made to current skills themselves. See this thread: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...t-Thread/page2

Sorry, since you are selectively remembering what YOU said, here is the bit again-quoting the whole first paragraph but will bold the bit that is indeed false

Big difference here. None of the other classes are having potentially hugely gamechanging changes made to existing skills. Other classes are getting new concepts added with new abilities. NIN is getting old abilities changed after this entire time. How would other players feel if existing skills were suddenly changed in their job in such a way?

Again, that is completely false. My other fav job that i have gotten to a respectable level is BRD and the new stance/song is potentially going to change several current job actions that are BRD's bread and butter so to speak. And speaking for myself as a player whose other major skills will be changed when i get access to and start using Wanderer's Minuet, i can say that i can't wait to try it all out and see how to incorporate everything into a playstyle i can work with.

And that's just another job i happen to play alot. Who knows outside of the dev team what other major changes jobs will have when the new stuff mixes with the old? Anyways i'm done with this post. Though i do wonder when the sky of Eorzea doesn't come crashing down if any of the naysayers now will revisit this and other knee-jerk reaction threads and say anything.

[Aethaeryn]

Though i do wonder when the sky of Eorzea doesn't come crashing down if any of the naysayers now will revisit this and other knee-jerk reaction threads and say anything.

This isn't a 'knee-jerk reaction thread' at all. This is a thread with people explaining why they really don't want positionals added to ninja, and requesting that SE fix the mudra problem that a majority of players deal with. "Every job is changing, get over it." is a non-argument.