Need, Greed-Glamour, Pass -> Suggestion

[Seryl199]

Progression gear will eventually be replaced with the next gear cycle. Glamour pieces can be used for many months before the wearer decides to change it. They may in fact get more use out of the piece than you. Regardless, if you're of that class, you absolutely should be able to roll need.

[seida]

Yep, all this would encourage people to do is run dungeons in inferior gear so they would "deserve" to roll need.

Say someone has run Sastasha 50 times trying to get the acolyte's robe for glamour. Do they still deserve it less than the caster on their first run? Should they still only roll greed?

People running dungeons for glamour helps keep them alive and keeps queues short.

Is it frustrating when you really need that gear? Yes, but maybe they have run that instance 50 times more than you and are even more frustrated.

Need is need, just because their need is different than yours doesn't make it invalid.

[Sakuraluna]

Apologies, but YOU are the one assuming here, ...

Did you tell him you were after it before or after he won the drop though? Because you didn't mention that bit anywhere in your scenario...

I mean, you're basically taking the ability to farm for needed gear, which is helping to keep the content you're running relevant, and making the assumption that your reason for wanting the gear should matter more than that other person's reasons.

Most overgeared players have no problem passing to a less geared player if they speak up beforehand. But like the one person above said, if I've been farming it for part of a glamor set for 30 runs and am just seeing it drop, I'm gonna feel i should be able to need it if I see it. I don't check other people's gear at the start to see who might need it as an upgrade over me, and the only thing chewing me out about lotting something will do is annoy me and get you blacklisted if you're on my server.

[Spiritreaver1217]

Apologies, but YOU are the one assuming here, in that scenario, i DID tell the other healer i needed it, i even told them to check my gear, yet, in the end they just wanted it for glamour.

First, yup you are right. I did assume.

Secondly, what do you expect when the hypothetical situation you used(and gonna add here, it really doesn't cast you in a good light using such a lead-in that conveniently differs from your actual account of events after you are called on it) shows you assuming that just because another player does not 'need' as item by your definition of 'need' at that time and then choosing not try and take some control of the situation? Not taking control means not speaking up-edit for clarity.

Lastly, so what that they only wanted it for glamour? It can be a cruel thing at times, but w/e you are in a situation where RNG is a determining factor, qualifying details are usually non-issues. That player could have decided he/she wanted the item just to spite you and planned to promptly trash it the second it hit his/her inventory and tell you about it-and would have been within their rights to do so. They would have been a horrible individual and totally deserving of a steel-toed boot to the face, but they'd still be justified lotting for even that despicable reason.

[Stormrider]

Sorry I am with the majority here. Need is need who are you to value your need over others need. I have yet to see a statement from any MMO quantifying need. If someone specifically is on that job running a dungeon for a drop then it is valid.

While I doubt you would get many to agree with you. You could ask for an absolute set of rules for what can and can't be needed for what reason. And to report anyone who doesn't follow these rules.

[Wobi]

If you helped heal or tank or DPS an instance/raid/primal/etc then you are entitled to whatever drops for your class, end of story. That being said I personally pass on almost anything that isn't an upgrade but I don't expect others to abide by my personal code.

[Omegakiyohime]

I think the inclusion of tome gear in the game invalidates this. You may not be BIS, but with the ability to get tome gear regardless of rng luck, ilvl progression is no more important than the various other reasons people roll on gear. If you are with friends, then sure you should come up with rules for gear that suit you all. However, in DF situations where loot is not agreed upon before hand, it would be a detriment for the game to prefer one reason when others are equally as valid. I ran into this issue with desynthing and given how desynthesis was necessary for crafting progression and relic construction, and I did not pass on items when there were equally relevant tome items available.

[Keylus]

I think that an extra button instead that change the greed button could be nice
Sometimes there are something that I want for glamour, but if I press need I could win over somebody that really needs it and if I press greed I could lose over somebody that really doesn't want that item
I check the gear of other casters to see if somebody needs it, but a new button could be more easy
An off-spec need button could be nice too, but maybe they could be too many buttons

[Sub-Xero]

Saw an iLvl 120+ BRD take the belt from Labyrinth of the Ancients when my friend could really use it so I asked them why they needed it and they said it was for "Glamour"...
Later that day I got voted out of Syrcus Tower for greeding (and winning) a piece of DRG gear that I could use. How do I know that's why I got voted out? My friend in the group asked why I got voted and they said it was because I took the DRG gear when I didn't need it. I was on my BRD, all my classes are 50 and I could actually use the piece. People are awesome!

/irrelevant rant over

[Waeksyn]

Well OP, what you are saying is that you want YOUR reason for getting the gear to have priority over other reasons. Gear drops can be used to wear, for glamour, for desynth, or to turn in for seals. All are valid and SE doesn't need to make a change to prioritize to your playing style over that of others.