Machinist Ammo System.

[EdwinLi]

I like it.... I love all how technical and different the jobs are getting. Only two of them got new stances. And the rest of something unique about them. I'm curious to see what other buff/debuff abilities machinist has to contrast to bard. I feel only the bard and machinist kind of playing similar...but we have yet to see more of machinist. I like how the solved the bard dps problem with the new song. And if you don't care about high dps, you can move all you want.

I don't mind the new stance since it basically a Archery Stance.

As much archer characters have been given the image of a mobile shooting character, it nice they added something in that gives the Archer/Bard the ability to perform like a actual Archer and focus on a Archer's Precision when shooting their arrows at a target which also suits the theme of the skill improving the Bard's Damage by sacrificing mobility and blindy spamming arrows for a Position and Aim Stance.

On Machinist:

I hope the consequence of not using Ammo is not too great since the are hints that reload may take a while to recharge before Machinist can be at their optimal DPS rate again.

[Felis]

As much archer characters have been given the image of a mobile shooting character, it nice they added something in that gives the Archer/Bard the ability to perform like a actual Archer and focus on a Archer's Precision when shooting their arrows at a target which also suits the theme of the skill improving the Bard's Damage by sacrificing mobility and blindy spamming arrows for a Position and Aim Stance.

Yes, like the aim skills in FF T
It need longer than normal attacks, but for that it also do more damage. Making the archer more like a sniper ^^

[Slirith]

I don't mind the new stance since it basically a Archery Stance.

As much archer characters have been given the image of a mobile shooting character, it nice they added something in that gives the Archer/Bard the ability to perform like a actual Archer and focus on a Archer's Precision when shooting their arrows at a target which also suits the theme of the skill improving the Bard's Damage by sacrificing mobility and blindy spamming arrows for a Position and Aim Stance.

On Machinist:

I hope the consequence of not using Ammo is not too great since the are hints that reload may take a while to recharge before Machinist can be at their optimal DPS rate again.

agreed with bolded :/

[LandricFrey]

Sounds interesting to me. Glad things are moving away from 123 123 4 123 123 4. of course the reload could always end up as the 4 in the 123 combo. :P

[Radacci]

As much archer characters have been given the image of a mobile shooting character, it nice they added something in that gives the Archer/Bard the ability to perform like a actual Archer and focus on a Archer's Precision when shooting their arrows at a target which also suits the theme of the skill improving the Bard's Damage by sacrificing mobility and blindy spamming arrows for a Position and Aim Stance.

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

[Nutz]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

That's damn impressive. Apparently historical archery is nothing like most people believe. If anything Archers in this game are terrible with their incredibly low arrow output, but maybe that's a consequence of having to summon your arrows from the void or whatever it is they do.

[Slirith]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

doing that in combat? don't see it working too too well under attack(melee wise). Then again this is a RPG

[Omegakiyohime]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Just gonna put this here since an actual archer might not be really what you think.
http://geekdad.com/2015/01/danish-archer/
http://www.lykopis.com/lars-andersen-fact-or-fiction/

Lars is impressive, no doubt, but there have been some well reasoned responses to his historical interpretation and the methods that he used to come to this discovery. Not saying he is wrong, but being impressive doesn't make him the end all be all on archery.

[Alberel]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

I hope you're aware that video is about as far from combat archery as you can get. It's performance archery, designed to impress gullible audiences with clever tricks that would serve no real purpose in combat.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/larsandersen.asp

http://nerdist.com/did-that-danish-a...hole-internet/

Whilst all of his stunts are real as far as anyone has been able to tell none of them are practical. Most of them took him dozens of attempts (anything more than one in a real combat situation would mean a dead archer) and many of them saw him using special props, such as a slow-moving, chunkier bamboo arrow when he shot one out of the air. His rapid-fire shots are all done at close range as well... firing at that speed would severely limit accuracy and arrow flight speed (making the weapon far less dangerous).

What he does in that video is both impressive and highly skilled but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with real combat archery. Most of the historical 'facts' he mentions are completely made up as well, he just counts on no one actually bothering to do any research into the actual history of archery to discredit him.

[EdwinLi]

just gonna put this here. Since an actual archer isn't really what you think.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk

Those are not real archery combat styles. Just fancy tricks to appease the people.

Before people started doing fancy tricks in Archery, Archery was more about position and aiming.

It is nice that Archer/Bard is finally getting a Archery stance now and function more like a Normal Archer with this new song.

I hope you're aware that video is about as far from combat archery as you can get. It's performance archery, designed to impress gullible audiences with clever tricks that would serve no real purpose in combat.

http://www.snopes.com/info/news/larsandersen.asp

http://nerdist.com/did-that-danish-a...hole-internet/

Whilst all of his stunts are real as far as anyone has been able to tell none of them are practical. Most of them took him dozens of attempts (anything more than one in a real combat situation would mean a dead archer) and many of them saw him using special props, such as a slow-moving, chunkier bamboo arrow when he shot one out of the air. His rapid-fire shots are all done at close range as well... firing at that speed would severely limit accuracy and arrow flight speed (making the weapon far less dangerous).

What he does in that video is both impressive and highly skilled but it has absolutely nothing at all to do with real combat archery. Most of the historical 'facts' he mentions are completely made up as well, he just counts on no one actually bothering to do any research into the actual history of archery to discredit him.

Ya the real archers were not acrobatic as certain people would make them out to be. They functioned more as the backline units and focused more on positioning and aiming. Close combat was their main weakness which is way a basic sword or other type of light weapons were used for their melee combat instead.