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  1. #1891
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post

    I speculate what you'd want to do in a typical AH3 rotation is F1 > F4 > F1 > F4 > F4 > B3, that right there would cost 9809 MP and leave room for T1/T2. You'd get 2 "free" Firestarter checks.
    There's an F3 cast to include there as well, that removes one of the F4s worth in mana cost. I'm not sure if we can viably open with Thunder or not as well. If there's a piety buff, it should be possible to open with T1>F3>F4>F1>F4>F1>B3>T2>B4>F3

    This should also give us enough time to get up all of our buffs. The nice thing about this setup is that we are never going to overlap Firestarters anymore, and we can use Spark to either gain a Thundercloud whenever desirably (use Spark T1, delay the proc), or we can use it to force a Firestarter to be used when leaving Umbral Ice (with Transpose).

    Have to check the phase durations to see if Enochian will be maintained, though.
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  2. #1892
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    Philia Felice
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    Quote Originally Posted by PhalanxField View Post
    There's an F3 cast to include there as well, that removes one of the F4s worth in mana cost. I'm not sure if we can viably open with Thunder or not as well. If there's a piety buff, it should be possible to open with T1>F3>F4>F1>F4>F1>B3>T2>B4>F3

    This should also give us enough time to get up all of our buffs. The nice thing about this setup is that we are never going to overlap Firestarters anymore, and we can use Spark to either gain a Thundercloud whenever desirably (use Spark T1, delay the proc), or we can use it to force a Firestarter to be used when leaving Umbral Ice (with Transpose).

    Have to check the phase durations to see if Enochian will be maintained, though.
    Nope, in a typical rotation you're only off by about 130~ MP from max after F3 at level 50. It'd probably be closer to 400 off after your entry F3 into AH3 from UI3, which would still allow you to do 5 AH3 attacks into B3 into a thunder spell

    11346 Max MP
    Roughly 10900 after UI3 F3
    F1 X 2, F4 X 3 is 9520 MP, which reduces it to 1380 MP to enter B3 (265 MP in AH3) and do a thunder spell (T2 would work in this environment). At this point you get your MP tick and do a B4.
    F1 X 3, F4 X 2 is 9880 MP, which would force B3 > T1 but still work

    The fight's opener is a different story.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 05-22-2015 at 08:44 AM.

  3. #1893
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    Aikaal Leyma
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    From my calculations, BLM rotation will be around Enochian.

    Fire IV is plain superior. better potency than F3, less mana than F1. It's 2 flaws are that you need Enochian up and it doesn't give Astral Fire.

    To me, the logical way to use Sharpcast is on a Fire 1.

    Sharpcast F1 > F4 x3 > Fire proc > F4

    Also, Swift Flare convert sounds useless with F4 around. I've already made to the point that Convert on your opener is the way to go to get 2 extra Fire IV. You want to maximize Enochian. It's 90 Sec CD. 30 > 25 > 20 > 15 = 90 Seconds. I feel even if you shorten the last rotation, it might be better just to keep your Enochian up.
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  4. #1894
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aikaal View Post
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    I'd be remiss if free Firestarter check Fire 1 is less produced average potency than F4 since a Firestarter is free, instacast, and 96 PPS (240/2.5 baseline: almost as much above F4 as F4 is above F1), but I'm unsure how to calculate what a F1 is "worth" PPS wise. If somehow F4 spam is actually better that would basically give up any excitement I have about level 60 rotations, and I hope that's not how it works out in practice.

    That said, SC Flare + F4 > F4 X 2 for Convert by the numbers and rotation flow, unless you're going to use Swiftcast on something else.
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  5. #1895
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    Except Convert on the stream gave him 1.9k mp and F4 is 1.7k mana. wiith B4 you screw yourself. 1.9k mana is not enough for F4 or F1.

    Your excitement on rotation is to manage and keep Enochian as long as possible. If you go around lose the buff, you're stuck to spam F1 and everybody can see that F1 + procs does not worth F4 spam. Sharpcast is a key ability to keep your F4 spam especially on your first rotation with Enochian.

    I could see opening with B3 better because you don't want to finish your 30 seconds Enochian too early. because if you clip when it has 10 seconds left, that's 10 seconds you'll be stuck spamming F1 which is inferior.
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  6. #1896
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    It's probably not feasible to maintain 100% uptime on Enochian though due to mechanics wasting time or even procs extending your AF3 phase. As the durations get shorter you might have to pick whether to keep Enochian up by going to UI3 early and wasting MP you could've used during AF3, or just let the buff drop and go back to level 50 rotation :V
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  7. #1897
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    You are right but you should avoid having a 30-40 seconds downtime when you can keep it up for 75-80 secs.
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  8. #1898
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    Where'd they show Convert only restoring 1900 MP? I didn't catch that during the BLM segment. Was it in the first half of the letter? If that was at level 60 that'd mean it's nerfed to 15% MP.
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  9. #1899
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    The 1.9k on the tooltip is the HP cost :V
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  10. #1900
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    Oh, I'm silly. You recover 30% of MP. You'd recover 3403 MP so you could swift Flare convert and F4.

    "Sacrifices 20% of health to recover 30% of your MP"
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