Land Needs Are Unmet on Balmung

[tocsin]

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A Like does not go nearly far enough to truly express how much I like this post. it says everything that I couldnt find the words to say.

[Verdan]

I don't want an overhaul. I don't even mind upkeep and foreclosure, except I think it sucks for people with houses in games, and I speak from experience. All I want there to be enough neighborhoods for everyone. This is not impossible, lotro does it. Lotro, where there's like one or two Tolkien buffs still paying for it still.

People react to "hey there's not enough housing guys" like I'm asking for the moon, which, quite frankly, is bizarre. I'm not asking for much for people to be able to buy a house in a growing game with lots of subscriptions. I keep coming here and saying the same thing cause it's downright strange that these forums(well, honestly a very small and very vocal part of these forums) just seem to have accepted that some people ain't ever gonna get no houses, which is:
-Shameful
-Disgraceful
-Cmon now
+Easy to say if you've got a house
I get this game has data storage issues. It was built from the ashes of a game so terrible downright extraordinary actions were taken, and we're playing in what amounts to a gaming miracle. I bet all servers are clones of each other and they can't add space to one without adding space to all of 'em, like... someone said on around page 2. But that blows and should be fixed cause not every server has the same needs. I'm willing to wait, I've been waiting. I'm not willing to decide housing is fine when people can't get houses cause there's no more land. This is also not a Balmung problem. There are 1440 plots, so other servers are running out too. It's not some sort of radical notion there's not enough space for houses. Cause there's not enough space for houses on my and more servers.

[GenJoe]

I don't want an overhaul. I don't even mind upkeep and foreclosure, except I think it sucks for people with houses in games, and I speak from experience. All I want there to be enough neighborhoods for everyone. This is not impossible, lotro does it. Lotro

I think in order to achieve what you'd like to see, SE needs to overhaul the entire system.. I don't really know why either, but ya know when SE is struggling to provide enough instance servers for duties (during peak times, this does happen) I just don't see how SE can achieve more wards without something drastic happening.

Also, the lack of housing and implementation of new wards is one of the rare things SE has officially addressed, although not in a very helpful manner, mainly that the new wards won't be added in 3.0, and Ishgard won't have housing any time soon.. and that new wards may be coming later, but well after 3.0. I know it's not what you wanted to hear from them but they did address it, unlike plethora of other issues that are currently being raised by the playerbase.

So with all these information out in the open, some of us just decided to work with what we've got. When life gives you lemons.. when SE gives you overpriced, limited houses, you pay the premium to buy it if you want it bad enough.. OR you can wait for new wards, probably won't be coming for another half year and even then, on Balmung, it'll probably all be gone within a day..


Don't assume that some of us are disagreeing with you on the basis of principal, I agree with some of what you're saying.. For example why housing, a feature that is the most utilized by RP'ers and "casual" players that just travel around places to places, was implemented in a way that it's most accessible to the hardcore farmers. It does puzzle me a bit
Personal houses are either owned by crafters or people who SB for quick pile of gil.. Many RPers simply don't have the resources and it may go against the RP "lore" to farm so much gil but that's the direction SE chose and we just work with what we've got.

[Dererk]

I think it may have more to do with that not all servers have their plots taken up yet didn't they wait to add more till every servers plot was bought? Also don't forget they screwed up housing when they put fc and personal in the same wards no no no that's wrong they screwed it up when they decided to use wards Again.


And also this threads title is just wrong lots of servers housing needs are unmet Balmung isn't special in this nor should it be.

[Riepah]

People suggested upkeep, automatic relinquishment after certain periods etc., and I'm generally against that - as SE told us when they introduced houses that there would be no upkeep, that we wouldn't lose our house if we didn't play for a while, so people went and paid the ridiculous fortune they charged for houses at the time, if they could afford it. Going against their word and slapping fees and restrictions on it in retrospect after the full price was paid up would be an atrocity.

But, how about making a fee/auto-relinquish system only for secondary houses? Make FC houses exempt, the first personal house per account is exempt as well, but any additional personal houses/plots you own will incur either a small fee in gil, or be relinquished if you don't pay a subscription for, say, 3-6 months.

That way it won't be an issue for any of the less wealthy house-owners, and it won't force people to keep paying their subscription just to keep their house. If you plan to quit for a few months, just sell your additional plots first, you can keep your FC house and your favorite plot+house indefinitely.

[Vexander]

I don't think there is a good solution here to be honest. If, as Wards fill up, new Wards open, then what we'll end up seeing is old Wards becoming Ghost Towns as the older players leave and so forth, and the newest Wards become the desired ones since they'll have more active folks in them.


Automatic Relinquishing of Plots: This may be an option, but I think it should only work -if- the player in question no longer has an active subscription or time on their account, and only after their account has been at that state for 1-3 months. Paying Players should be given priority treatment over those who have quit, and that is a fact.

[Verdan]

And also this threads title is just wrong lots of servers housing needs are unmet Balmung isn't special in this nor should it be.

It's a fun journey through time to go back to the beginning of this thread, where I was polite and optimistic and very specific.

If your server doesn't have any plots left, that's an issue too. It's an issue of how housing was made, and I expect it's across all legacy servers. If lots and lots of servers don't have enough land, this forum should be choking in "Land Needs Are Unmet On ________." Maybe someone'd pay attention then.

[Xenosan]

They don't need to overhaul the entire system, but they could add an alternate housing option instead of the Residential Areas (which imo should have been left strictly for FCs).

That's what we all thought personal housing was going to be, but then it wasn't.

Personal Airship? Rent-a-house in Ishgard? They have options going forward, I'd hope they consider other forms of housing to alleviate stress of the current system.

[Riepah]

That's what we all thought personal housing was going to be, but then it wasn't.

"Completely separate" and "much more affordable" were what they said, if memory serves. Quite pathetic to think they "worked" on personal housing for over half a year. Seriously wonder what the hell they were doing those 6 months "working" on flipping the "person can buy house without FC affiliation" switch.

[Souljacker]

"Completely separate" and "much more affordable" were what they said, if memory serves. Quite pathetic to think they "worked" on personal housing for over half a year. Seriously wonder what the hell they were doing those 6 months "working" on flipping the "person can buy house without FC affiliation" switch.

It's my belief that they actually were working on something that was separate, but for whatever reason they couldn't get it to function well or at all. So this was the plan b so to speak. It's terrible and made YoshiP look like a liar, but it is what it is and as long as everyone keeps worshiping him we have more of the same to look forward to.


I love a lot of things about this game, but they need to hire some people who can give them good advice on how to manage larger populations. Most of their team never had to work with more than 250k ish total people. I think FFXI maxed out at 500k or so at its peak. These populations are just overwhelming to SE and they don't know what to do. Add to that the abyssal equipment they are using and it's a recipe for disaster, not a true next-gen mmo.

I get that the struggle is real, but I am highly disappointed in their lack of professionalism in this matter.