Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[NovaLevossida]

Scarlet Haze, I used to be in your FC. I joined because I saw you shouting in Limsa Lominsa saying that your FC, "No One Left Behind," helped out new players. After coming back to the game and starting over on a different server, that sounded like just the FC for me. Never asked the FC for help until I got to the Extreme primals, and I was completing them in Duty Finder until I got up to a particular one where the Duty Finder was insufficient given the quality of the average player in there.

So I asked if the FC helped with primals. And each time I'd ask, I'd get a "yes" but no help. I didn't want a carry. I knew the fight; I just needed a group that could actually do the fight with me. I wasn't wanting to pony farm; I was just needing clears. This was Titan Hard mode at ARR launch all over again where I knew the fight but people just couldn't perform well enough to get a clear. And I kept asking, kept getting told yes, and kept not getting help. This went on for about a month. I eventually asked if I could schedule a time for getting help, and you turned me down after having led me on for a month about primals, even longer given your recruiting shouts.

I basically reasoned if a "helpful" FC leader didn't actually help and I had to go outside the FC into party finder, I couldn't do any worse finding a helpful FC. So I quit. And after I quit, there you were in Lominsa still /shouting your recruitment about how helpful you were and how you help newer players. And it's not like I was the only one who was subject to your apathy. I helped plenty of people in the FC; I just never got that help when I actually needed it.

I understand your FC had a bit of a schism yesterday with you kicking people who didn't agree with your newfound elitism philosophy; not condemning your viewpoint, but kicking for apparently just not agreeing with your view. I still have friends in there so I know. Are you so elitist now that you're embarrassed by the very same people you recruited when shouting to help new players? But it's not my place to air dirty laundry that I wasn't personally involved in so I won't go into details. But I noticed that after this happened, you were still in Lominsa /shouting your recruitment spiel about being oh so helpful for new players.

So when I see a thread like this, about your elitism, it just rings so hollow. Both because your previous stance about helping people was hollow and how petty you reacted to people who didn't share your view. Those people who were not actively condemning your view, but just did not share it. And for what it's worth, my last interaction with you after having left the FC is a memory of seeing you engage in the usual shouting and blame game stuff in WoD that the juvenile players do where players are at each other's throats being hostile instead of productive.

So, if you want to be an elitist, I think you're well on track for all the negative connotations that carries with it. The rest of us can aspire to be better players without carrying that divisive attitude you've adopted.

[vientown]

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the simple fact is that scarlet haze is a bitter player and not necessarily a bad player. operating on the avatar: she will go wherever the weather takes her if it seems that it might result in an advantage. the truth is that scarlet haze is 'an elitist' now because the only people she can get angry at are people newer than her - she desperately wants to feel like she is an important and valuable player, but she lacks the grit.

what you describe about the FC recruitment scenario speaks volumes about haze's character: she would REALLY like to be a part of an FC, or run an FC, where everyone helps her! "why are all these bads joining my FC!!!!!????" "super pros were supposed to join my FC and i was supposed to magically fall into a HxC top raiding static!" scarlet haze is an elitist when she wants to cheaply complain a little about titan ex, and scarlet haze is a poetics rights activist when anyone comes with receipts. if only she could get 7 other amazing players of her level to farm through fcob with her 500 times! it's not her fault, really!

at the end of the day, the social aspect is as important as any other in this game. you cannot be whiny, you cannot be negative, you cannot have a terrible reputation and you certainly cannot be a solitary (lmao titan-ex) 'elitist'. what you actually accomplish is that you utterly alienate yourself: are any top raiding fc's totally interested in you now that you've demonstrated how much you can complete rudimentary i90 content scarlet? would any new player accept you in their party? nobody likes a sore loser, and while everybody is selfish, favours and kindness are as much a part of the game as anything else. you would stand gaping (and probably start crying about how unfair it is) if you knew how many times i have been helped in fcob and pony farms by people who started in 2.4 or later.

if you want to get ahead, play nicely. if you do not socialise, you are just an npc.

[Magusrex]

This is a lot more gray than everyone realizes, it is very polarizing as well. No one likes to feel taken advantage of, it sucks to know there are people who actively take advantage of others, they join groups knowing they will make it extremely hard on the people they join. They don't care ant they are unapologetic. It can make a person very angry, after dealing with enough of that it can leave you very bitter.

There are people who try really hard, give to others whenever they can are receptive to instruction that are worthy and deserving of help. They sometimes get treated very poorly after one mistake even when they informed everyone they were new, sometimes they get harassed for just being new. It can make a person very angry, after dealing with enough of that it can leave you very bitter.

The extremes on both sides ruin it for everyone. I don't like the tone of my earlier posts. I would take much of it back. FWIW I intend to help whoever I can, whenever I can, if someone takes advantage of me along way due to their apathy so be it, I am not going to let them turn me into less of a person. I'm sorry

[Cynfael]

Magus, I think you hit the nail on the head with the comment on the situation being gray.

The tricky part about veteran-newbie relations is drawing the line between encouraging the less experienced player to rely on being carried and utterly discouraging honest self-starters who just want more opportunities to learn.

For example, I'll sometimes join a T9-13 learn/clear party in PF without the expectation of actually clearing. If we clear, it's a great feeling to help people get their achievement; if we don't, then hopefully they will have made progress, and maybe I learned a new trick by playing a Job I rarely get to play for my static.

If someone wants a literal carry, they can find a PF for that as well, but I'm not interested in donating or even selling my play time to help those who have given up on helping themselves.

[SamBentley]

I'm a newbie. I have hacked my way to level 37 and stuck at level 8 alchemist for skill. I can't figure out how to get in dungeons or how to get a paladin for second job. I wasted $50 on the "killer guide" that is too broad and not very specific on how to get thru the game. What is the best way to find these things out? I have run into a lot of non-responsive players

[Kosmos992k]

I'm a newbie. I have hacked my way to level 37 and stuck at level 8 alchemist for skill. I can't figure out how to get in dungeons or how to get a paladin for second job. I wasted $50 on the "killer guide" that is too broad and not very specific on how to get thru the game. What is the best way to find these things out? I have run into a lot of non-responsive players

If you hacked your way to lvl 37, you probably skipped all the story quests? If so, you need to do them, that is how the dungeons open up, without completing the story quests, all you will find are FATE and Leves.

Again if you hacked your way to 37, it sounds like you skipped the Gladiator Story quests? If so, do them, if not, then look up the Paladin job quests, you have to do those to enable Paladin and obtain the job skills that go with it.

I suggest you go to this site for information on all of the things you need. The paladin reference includes all the job quests, their location and which NPC to speak to.

http://ffxiv.consolegameswiki.com/wiki/FF14_Wiki

[Aldora]

I'm a newbie. I have hacked my way to level 37 and stuck at level 8 alchemist for skill. I can't figure out how to get in dungeons or how to get a paladin for second job. I wasted $50 on the "killer guide" that is too broad and not very specific on how to get thru the game. What is the best way to find these things out? I have run into a lot of non-responsive players

In order to unlock the Duty Finder, you will have to follow the main story quests until you get a quest called "Call to the Sea" (Level 15 Main story quest). This quest will lead you to the first Dungeon called Sastasha. When you "touch" the entrance of that dungeon, you will unlock the dungeon within the Duty Finder and the Duty Finder along with it.

In order to get Paladin Unlocked, you would need to have Gladiator at Level 30 and Conjurer at Level 15 as well as completed the Gladiator Class quests and the Main Story Quest called "Sylph-management" (Level 20 Main Story Quest). In order to unlock Conjurer, you will have to visit the Conjurer's Guild in Old Gridania. But, if you follow the Main Story Quests, you will end up in Gridania as part of the Main Story Quest, so be sure to unlock Conjurer when you're there.

Once you meet the requirements for unlocking Paladin, go to The Steps of Thal in Ul'dah (x9,y11) and talk to Lulutsu to start the Paladin Quest.

[Magusrex]

I'm a newbie. I have hacked my way to level 37 and stuck at level 8 alchemist for skill. I can't figure out how to get in dungeons or how to get a paladin for second job. I wasted $50 on the "killer guide" that is too broad and not very specific on how to get thru the game. What is the best way to find these things out? I have run into a lot of non-responsive players

I am going to hope you are not trolling me. Do not ever buy a guide again. Use forums, use Google. You first time through the game follow the main story, and do your class quests. The early guildhests are good for teaching basic grouping. Google FFIV Paladin and you will find plenty of good information. Main story should take you through you first dungeons.

[CGMidlander]

I'm a newbie. I have hacked my way to level 37 and stuck at level 8 alchemist for skill. I can't figure out how to get in dungeons or how to get a paladin for second job. I wasted $50 on the "killer guide" that is too broad and not very specific on how to get thru the game. What is the best way to find these things out? I have run into a lot of non-responsive players

You need to do main story quests to unlock a bunch of things, like Duty Finder.

Paladin needs you to do all the gladiator job quests and have lv15 conjurer

[CrystalRainbow]

My wife did titan EX for the 1st time 2 days ago.. with 10% echo down it.
Then went onto ifrit EX and one and done no echo.

Then I did titan EX for the 1st time had it sitting in my quest log for months 15% echo and we got it down.

Vote to abandon I only say yes on when the party is so bad there is no chance of getting a clear.
She has now done titan EX 5 times since 1st win. Winning 4/6 time and 1 of the time it failed was 15% echo and got it down to ~10%. At this point a Vote to abandon happened it didn't pass a DRG quit and the rest of the group got the win with 7.

So ya sure things get easier. But people also need to try and learn, and it maybe a cake walk for some but try to remember it being your 1st time it wasn't.