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  1. #1831
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    randysquirrel's Avatar
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    Phoenix Silver
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    Odin
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefirefly View Post
    and they focus hate on magic
    huh......?
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  2. #1832
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    DarkerOrange's Avatar
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Sounds like someone doesn't quite understand how emnity works :P hehe.
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  3. #1833
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    cgbspender's Avatar
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    Limsa
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    Ragnarok
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    Culinarian Lv 70
    He must have had quite a poor gear too. I was helping a friend yesterday, tanking in Roulette Exp - AK - for the first time. I was healing him. He still had a bunch of the i55 blue gear one gets from the job quests, a few i100 from Mor Dhona and some STR jewels. And the basic non-upgraded with sands i100 weapon. All that for a total of around 6,5/7k hp.


    And despite all this gear, I had absolutely no trouble keeping him alive. He was taking big shots, true, but nothing my DS/C2/Regen couldn't handle. He was using cooldowns.
    It made the difference with the one you had probably. Didn't time them too well, as he's still in the process of learning, but at least he used them.

    We didn't take more than 4/5 mobs at once. There was only death twice. First he didn't know he could be targeted by the first boss, and cumulated 7 stacks of "thunder" against the first boss and didn't t hide fast enough, making it impossible to heal. And right before the last boss's room, where you have to kill the enemy in the order they appear. Somehow he got one-shot here. Except that, with a bit of coordination, it went quite smooth.

    Your tank must have been pretty terrible for you not to be able to keep up with the cures...
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  4. #1834
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    VanilleFang's Avatar
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    Uriel Valesti
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    Zalera
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Thanks guys. I'm feeling better now. After that fail of an instance I queued up for another and got Keeper. It was incredibly smooth and I walked away with 2 comms.
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  5. #1835
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    Blue Firefly
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    Brynhildr
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by DarkerOrange View Post
    Sounds like someone doesn't quite understand how emnity works :P hehe.
    Have you honestly not noticed this? That casting heals immediately grabs their hate while it doesn't as much with other mobs? Maybe it isn't magic in general, but I'm not the only one who noticed these mobs have a tendency to hate healers. I agree, sounds like someone doesn't know how enmity works.
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  6. #1836
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    OlyverW's Avatar
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    Oly'ver White
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 80
    Kinda a combo here a horror followed by goodness

    Garuda Ex… so much derpage happened on this one (and not from the healers; me and Sas) People where taking so much unnecessary damage that I had to tunnel real hard on just healing. We were throwing everything we had up and everyone should have been ok but that run was just a little bit special. The sad thing was it was a premade party and I think we mighta been better off with a pug party in the end the trial was abandoned.

    ST

    Not really a horror here I must be getting somewhat better with my SCH walked away with 3 comms
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  7. #1837
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    DarkerOrange's Avatar
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    E'dok Edok
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    Masamune
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefirefly View Post
    Have you honestly not noticed this? That casting heals immediately grabs their hate while it doesn't as much with other mobs? Maybe it isn't magic in general, but I'm not the only one who noticed these mobs have a tendency to hate healers. I agree, sounds like someone doesn't know how enmity works.
    No. Just no. They go for you because the tank hasn't hit them with Flash/Overpower. Not because you are a Mage....
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  8. #1838
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    randysquirrel's Avatar
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    Odin
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefirefly View Post
    Have you honestly not noticed this? That casting heals immediately grabs their hate while it doesn't as much with other mobs? Maybe it isn't magic in general, but I'm not the only one who noticed these mobs have a tendency to hate healers. I agree, sounds like someone doesn't know how enmity works.
    Please stop
    This is outright wrong, these mobs act no differently to any others in the game. As DarkerOrange says, if the tank (or anyone else) does not hit them at all, they will not establish any kind of hate on them, so the only one with any hate will be you when healing, and so you will pull agro. it honestly has nothing to do with you being healer, or mage, or whatever.
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  9. #1839
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    Saseal Korei
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    Coeurl
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Bluefirefly View Post
    Have you honestly not noticed this? That casting heals immediately grabs their hate while it doesn't as much with other mobs? Maybe it isn't magic in general, but I'm not the only one who noticed these mobs have a tendency to hate healers.
    I'm probably going to regret this, since I hate arguments. >_> Especially when they don't need to be so volatile.

    I have noticed that the floaties (sorry, memory does not serve me well, ever, for names) will be flashed/are tagged BUT still turn to me in a heartbeat after, for say, a single heal or a regen. Yes, I'm fully aware of enmity. This is also possibly because nothing is followed up on them right after a flash, from being a distance away - BUT, that would also mean the other mobs not being hit at the time by tank or DPS should have done the same thing and yet don't - hence my suspicion that I mentioned earlier... but it could just be that their hate table is a bit tweaked or the tank is rotatingly slapping everything at least once (but I highly doubt this).
    So, yes, I have seen them immediately switch after being tagged. Reason? Ionno. Possibly just wasn't enough enmity caused by the flash for that monster - or your ilvl is outstripping the tank's single flash.

    In any case, just best to sleep or waterball the little pains in the ass x_x
    Lets just leave it at that
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    Last edited by Saseal; 05-15-2015 at 03:29 AM.

  10. #1840
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    Linnaete's Avatar
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    Aoife Linnaete
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    Phantom
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    The comical levels of derpage in Garuda EX would be hilarious, if not for the fact that it happens for a dozen times and you are getting nowt out of the fight except decaying gear and time you will never recover. For the record, I’ve been trying the fight on both Duty Finder and Party Finder, with – to my surprise – scarcely any noticeable difference in competency levels of either of them.

    The last two tries on DF really took the cake. You know Murphy’s Law: anything that can possibly go wrong will more often or not actually go wrong? I bet Murphy never contemplated the additional factor of the same things going wrong over and over again despite the fact that everyone should have got the message after the first bizarre wipe.

    Penultimate attempt on DF:

    1) Spiny Plume decided to kick the bucket way too early, culminating in Garuda coming down and annihilating us all in one fell swoop. Half the party was left bewildered. Who the heck killed Spiny?
    2) Spiny Plume faced another startlingly short life – as did we – as Garuda came down on us once again to hug us to death. It transpired that the Summoner’s Garuda-Egi was on Sic and had been attacking Spiny all along. We tell the Summoner to put their pet on Obey.
    3) …Spiny Plume died too early AGAIN, though this time we finally got to the whirlwind phase following the rocks. This time, no one admitted it. Summoner vehemently denied it. Maybe someone’s Limit Break did it, which would have been unlikely given that Spiny was on the other side of the arena.
    4) Something happened and next thing I knew (I was too busy tightening my buttcheeks and tunnel-vision healing, because EVERYONE was taking absurd levels of damage for some reason), Garuda and Chirada came over to the healers’ corner and took both of us out.

    Last attempt on DF:

    1) As if some cosmic entity was trolling me, someone killed Spiny Plume way too early again. There was no Summoner pet going berserk this time; we genuinely had no idea who did it. It’s very possible the off-tank auto-attacked Spiny to death, who knows…
    2) Spiny was killed a tad too early – before Garuda had properly jumped out of the arena. The Dragoons were smote by the AoEs generated by Spiny upon death before they could even make it into the barrier, and by the time Garuda had come back down with Aerial Blast, the barrier dissipated and we fell like dominos.
    3) I don’t even know what happened. I remember running into Spiny’s barrier, but a couple of seconds later, we all fell down.
    4) Absolute chaos, even though we were actually doing rather well! We got her HP down to around 15%. Cue whirlwinds again and absolute confusion over what to do with the Olsen twins. I saw DPSs die from walking across whirlwinds and next thing I knew, the three of the beauty queens were roaming around the arena, slapping us to death a group at a time. Turns out? Someone didn’t have Shield Oath on!

    Twelve help me. I just want some chance of grabbing her pony…
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    Last edited by Linnaete; 05-15-2015 at 05:38 AM.

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