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  1. #31
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    Sebazy Spiritwalker
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    Simply put, Adlo/Stoneskin/Protect don't stack for the same reasons that Dragon kick, Virus, Eye for an Eye, Storms X, Foes, Paeon, Ballad and so on don't stack. Allowing these kind of abilities to be stacked would potentially break encounters amplifying the 'flavour of the month' effect that for the most part this game tends to avoid.

    SE have openly stated on many occasions and via many raid mechanics that they want groups to bring a spread of jobs. Your 'idea' goes completely against this and thus is never going to happen.

    So yes, it is too much to ask.

    And just because it's hilarious coming from you:

    Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
    or change the system to never pair scholar together please.
    Ok
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vlady View Post
    Makes perfect sense. He is saying if white mage and scholars are both as well balanced as people claim then why should the scholar shield spells not be allowed to stack. Not sure how much more clear a person can make it. But I cannot expect much from someone who likes to insult other people's intellect just because they do not agree with you. It makes you look intelligent every time you post.
    Tenuous logic is tenuous. Shield stacking is not part of synergising/synching better. Shields not stacking is entirely due to balancing. (Sebazy has covered this enough in the post immediatly proceeding mine so i do not need to go into detail here). By your logic then why can't whm stoneskin stack? Also, as stated before, sch not synching well is more to do with players inability to run 2 schs together. However, this is of course countered by your own posts claiming the most powerful healer combination is 2 schs. Have a look at my previous post on this thread and please reconcile your many many many conflicting stances on this topic please. Until then, your credibility will be constantly erroded, which i am surprised it can be erroded further than it previously was.
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  3. #33
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    Abandon all hope, ye who enter this discussion.
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  4. #34
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    Ooooo sounds like fun.

    SCHs do Sync :

    -You get 3-4 healers 2 of which target faster than most players ^^
    -You get 150% worth of insta heals every minute
    -You have access to Skill,Spell speed, healing,M-def buffs, silence, and an AOE hot
    -You have access to two lots of DOTs
    -With communication you can easily divide the party and have access to stupid mitigation

    I'm sorry but good SCHs sync amazingly well, I think instead of asking for an unnecessary buff you should work on communication and playing the class.
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  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by spelley View Post
    Abandon all hope, ye who enter this discussion.
    Sea lions, man. At least it's all good for a laugh in the end.
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  6. #36
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    I thought Virus and Dragon Kick and Storms did actually stack. Can anyone confirm?
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  7. #37
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    Dragon Kick does not stack. If Monk A uses it, Monk B can refresh its timer by using it as well. This is actually a viable DPS exploit in which a better geared / skilled Monk can focus on using Bootshine's auto-crit while a lesser geared / skilled Monk can be the "DK bitch", or the person in charge of ensuring Dragon Kick is up on the primary Monk's target.
    Virus has an odd timing in which it can stack if the ACN trait-buffed Virus is used alongside a (typically-cross classed) unbuffed Virus. It's uncommon to see, and I personally have never tried to test what conditions these two different viruses can stack together under, nor what they do when stacked. Outside that oddity, you can't refresh or stack similar virus casts on a target, even one without Antibody's immunity.
    I'm pretty sure any sort of vulnerability debuffs or status ailments (excluding Poison) follow the typical "Refresh, not stack" rules, including Storm's. It's the same reason multiple slashing resistance debuffs can't be stacked between NIN and WAR.
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    Last edited by KikoriL; 05-14-2015 at 01:24 PM.

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebazy View Post
    Simply put, Adlo/Stoneskin/Protect don't stack for the same reasons that Dragon kick, Virus, Eye for an Eye, Storms X, Foes, Paeon, Ballad and so on don't stack. Allowing these kind of abilities to be stacked would potentially break encounters amplifying the 'flavour of the month' effect that for the most part this game tends to avoid.
    It is amusing, though, to imagine all of the mechanics that could be trivialized by such stacking. I suppose we should be supporting Vlady in his campaign so that we can free our healing attention to focus on DPS, reach for a snack, make sandwiches, or knit sweaters for hairless cats during Akh Morn sequences. Galvanize stacking ftw.
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    I think I misunderstood what he meant - they do stack with each other, not with themselves...which was what I assumed. Fort some reason I read his statement as meaning Virusing a Dragon Kicked target was useless - which he wasn't stating, and is incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguisio View Post
    Ooooo sounds like fun.

    SCHs do Sync :

    -You get 3-4 healers 2 of which target faster than most players ^^
    -You get 150% worth of insta heals every minute
    -You have access to Skill,Spell speed, healing,M-def buffs, silence, and an AOE hot
    -You have access to two lots of DOTs
    -With communication you can easily divide the party and have access to stupid mitigation

    I'm sorry but good SCHs sync amazingly well, I think instead of asking for an unnecessary buff you should work on communication and playing the class.
    This was actually the response I was looking for. It proves how much stronger scholars are then white mages. Scholars are such a tier over white mages they purposely have to limit double scholars playing together and white mages are so far behind scholars that they have to let them stack every ability together and still fall behind what a scholar brings. Your list is a huge example of why unless the white mage is altered fundamentally in the expansion with a new ability that really lets it shine it will be benched fro Astrology job if white mage remains as is.
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    Last edited by Vlady; 05-17-2015 at 03:06 PM.

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