Are the Twelve Primals too?

[Anonymoose]

That's one of the bigger questions in the game (well, more specifically, if the Twelve are independently real). From Gaius van Baelsar to Louisoix to the Ascians themselves, everyone seems convinced that anything that comes out of a summoning is going to be an aether-sucking primal(-like entity).

But does something exist? Are there Twelve true gods? Ascended mortals? Mortals that history remembers inaccurately? We're not sure yet.

We can be pretty confident that summoning them is a bad idea, though.

[Ninimo_Babamo]

That's one of the bigger questions in the game (well, more specifically, if the Twelve are independently real). From Gaius van Baelsar to Louisoix to the Ascians themselves, everyone seems convinced that anything that comes out of a summoning is going to be an aether-sucking primal(-like entity).

But does something exist? Are there Twelve true gods? Ascended mortals? Mortals that history remembers inaccurately? We're not sure yet.

We can be pretty confident that summoning them is a bad idea, though.

I can't believe you're still here.

Anyway, seeing as Louisoix did have us pray to the 12 at the end of 1.0 for their aid, as I'm sure you remember, and we did see some evidence of Louisoix using their power to contain Bahamut, I think it's safe to say that something of them does exist. Something of them must be real, but that doesn't necessarily mean they are all powerful, or even as powerful as a primal.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

There are a couple different intertwining, interfering questions here. Allow me to try to disentangle.

This was a great post, and as far as the over arching argument about Primals, this is one of the better explanations I've seen so far, and I fully agree with what you are saying.

To anybody else reading this, if you missed that post, and are still looking for info on any primal, re read what was said there.

But does something exist? Are there Twelve true gods? Ascended mortals? Mortals that history remembers inaccurately? We're not sure yet.

I think it's safe to say that something of them does exist.

Moose is just pointing out some unanswered metaphysical questions. I agree with your assumptions, however, I also don't think anything needed to be there before hand, so it's possible they are fictional. . .