Auri and Ishgard, can we truly be allies?

[Sapphic]

Yes, but proverbial expressions have meanings that can be derived from their constituent parts. Unless they are also idioms, which have meanings not derivable from their parts. "Fun for the whole family" is a phrase, but you can determine from its meaning that, yes, something is being described as promising fun for any member of the family. "Raining cats and dogs" is an idiom, because if you take the literal meaning of the words making up the phrase, you would come to an incorrect conclusion that pets are falling from clouds in the sky.

Well that is where you making an assumption that the phrase "to lie with the enemy" is an actual phrase that you can break down into its lesser parts, with out taking into consideration it could be another way of writing "to sleep with the enemy".

Unfortunately for your point, there is no idiom "lie with a dragon." Since "lie with a dragon" is not an idiom, it's just a generic phrase. That means that the meaning can be derived from the individual words and phrases within the larger phrase. "Lie with" means "have sex with;" "a" means. . ."a;" and "dragon" means "dragon." Thus, "lie with a dragon" means "have sex with a dragon." This isn't hard.

Which would be true IF to lie with only had one definition that could fit into the phrase, But it doesn't it has more than just to have sex with, the second you ignore for your own definition of the phrase.

I'm glad you finally admitted that "lie with" does not mean "ally with." And I'm not just ignoring the other definition. I'm taking the one that makes sense in the context. The other definition of "lie with" only works for intangibles, such as power, fault, and responsibility. The definition of "lie with" that works with people is "to have sex with."

Yet you are assuming that it isn't an idiom. You are assuming enemy, which is a broad term, means a definitive entity. But as I said, until we get definitive confirmation from the lore term, both of our opinions are based on cojecture and self translation.

You keep using the word phrase when you clearly mean idiom.

Congratulations on telling me something I already told you. >_>

Yet you clearly told me I was misusing phrase to refer to an Idiom, yet as all Idioms are phrases referring to them as phrases is correct. Which you now admit to.

[Viridiana]

Well that is where you making an assumption that the phrase "to lie with the enemy" is an actual phrase that you can break down into its lesser parts, with out taking into consideration it could be another way of writing "to sleep with the enemy".

You're making the unfounded assumption. Phrases that can be understood by considering their parts is the default. If you're going to claim that this phrase is not one of those phrases, the onus is on you to explain why. You haven't.

Which would be true IF to lie with only had one definition that could fit into the phrase, But it doesn't it has more than just to have sex with, the second you ignore for your own definition of the phrase.

There is only one definition that fits with the context. You're claiming that definition 22a fits here, when it doesn't. Definition 22a only works with intangibles, such as responsibility, blame, guilt, duty, power, etc. Definition 22b is clearly what's meant here.

Yet you are assuming that it isn't an idiom.

That's not an unusual assumption, it's the default. I'll note that you haven't assumed anything I've said in any of these posts is an idiom, yet you want to assume this phrase is. Idioms are common, yes, but they're a small proportion of the total language. Unless you're dealing with a known idiom, there's no reason to assume that something is an idiom. "Lie with a dragon" is not an idiom I've ever heard. Have you seen it attested anywhere in any other context meaning "sleep with the enemy"? I mean, you keep asserting it's an idiom that means "sleep with the enemy," so surely you've seen it somewhere else to mean that. I mean, idioms aren't one-off things. They get reused. So, show me one other source that can attest "lie with a dragon" as being an equivalent idiom to "sleeping with the enemy."

You are assuming enemy, which is a broad term, means a definitive entity. But as I said, until we get definitive confirmation from the lore term, both of our opinions are based on cojecture and self translation.

You're the one who keeps bringing up the word enemy. Without you making things up, the word enemy isn't even in this phrase. I'm not trying to put the word enemy into the phrase, you are. Also, I'm not translating anything. It's English. I'm reading English and taking the English meanings of the words as they're used in English.

Yet you clearly told me I was misusing phrase to refer to an Idiom, yet as all Idioms are phrases referring to them as phrases is correct. Which you now admit to.

In the same way that all squares are rectangles. So sure, saying that rectangles have four equal sides is right sometimes, but that doesn't mean you should say rectangle when you mean square. There's a reason we have multiple words for things. Because if you say "Rectangles have four equal sides. That's the definition of a rectangle." people are going to look at you like you have no clue what you're talking about. >_>