Shadow Flare needs a new effect.

[Bigcat9715]

I'd recommend not thinking about Shadowflare as a utility ability, but rather a damage dealing ability with builtin utility. It's useful when that part of it works, but the damage on Shadowflare is very valuable on both Summoner and Scholar. Also if they changed the debuff to vulnerability it would be overpowered unless they put a cooldown on it which would potentially make the arcanist crowd unhappy.

Maybe it's just me, because I play both SMN and BLM, so I see Smn underwhelming. SMN abilities like Miasma 2 and Shadowflare has such a low potency that the only way to make them good is if you have them up all the time. Hell I barely see other Smns use miasma 2 when I'm running dungeons.

[Viridiana]

Maybe it's just me, because I play both SMN and BLM, so I see Smn underwhelming. SMN abilities like Miasma 2 and Shadowflare has such a low potency that the only way to make them good is if you have them up all the time. Hell I barely see other Smns use miasma 2 when I'm running dungeons.

Shadowflare has 250 potency. That's not a low potency.

[Ricdeau]

Maybe it's just me, because I play both SMN and BLM, so I see Smn underwhelming. SMN abilities like Miasma 2 and Shadowflare has such a low potency that the only way to make them good is if you have them up all the time. Hell I barely see other Smns use miasma 2 when I'm running dungeons.

I don't play casters so I can't comment too much. I understand Summoner is not in the best position right now, and we are expecting some tweaks come expansion. However, what are you finding underwhelming about it? Is it just DOTs vs high damage nuking that you find underwhelming? Potency over time attacks are generally some of the strongest abilities in the game (especially ones that can AoE).

Shadowflare has 250 potency. That's not a low potency.

Not to mention each tick has it's own chance to crit.

[Bigcat9715]

Not to mention each tick has it's own chance to crit.

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...w_discoveries/
Apparently Shadow flare doesn't crit it's on a different formula.

[Viridiana]

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...w_discoveries/
Apparently Shadow flare doesn't crit it's on a different formula.

That was a post from a year and a half ago. At the time Shadow Flare was bugged to 100% crit, which has since been fixed.

[Ricdeau]

https://m.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comment...w_discoveries/
Apparently Shadow flare doesn't crit it's on a different formula.

This was a bug that was fixed in patch 2.1. It is undocumented in the patch notes, but you can read here for updates to what are you seeing in your previous link:

http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen..._lower_damage/

[Malevicton]

has such a low potency that the only way to make them good is if you have them up all the time.

[Zamii]

Hell I barely see other Smns use miasma 2 when I'm running dungeons.

since no one else seems to have pointed this out i guess i will.
Miasma II, including its full DoT duration, has a potency of 70 (not including contagion), which is lower than that of the potency of ruin which is 80, essentially your causing yourself a dps loss to keep it up 100% of the time, if your going to use it at all, it should only be with contagion (although personally i find it to MP inefficient, similar case to monks using fracture) or to AoE multiple mobs

[Bigcat9715]

since no one else seems to have pointed this out i guess i will.
Miasma II, including its full DoT duration, has a potency of 70 (not including contagion), which is lower than that of the potency of ruin which is 80, essentially your causing yourself a dps loss to keep it up 100% of the time, if your going to use it at all, it should only be with contagion (although personally i find it to MP inefficient, similar case to monks using fracture) or to AoE multiple mobs

Wow what a Shitty ass ability. So, is it better to bane then spam blizzard 2, and pray that you don't run out of mana? Why give Smn such a lame AoE, then tried to make it up by taking away thunder 1 and giving us blizzard 2?

[pandabearcat]

Wow what a Shitty ass ability. So, is it better to bane then spam blizzard 2, and pray that you don't run out of mana? Why give Smn such a lame AoE, then tried to make it up by taking away thunder 1 and giving us blizzard 2?

Math is not very hard.

Blizzard II does 50 pot/target.
Miasma II does 70 pot/target, 120 w/ contagion singletarget.

Miasma II > blizz II assuming adds last that long.

All classes run out of mana (or tp) aside from BLM. So yes, you will run out of mana spamming Blizz II, like everyone else. Up to you to decide whether the mana efficiency is worth it.

What you should be asking is why Tri-disaster is worthless (in non-niche, bind situations).