Dear Square Enix - this is tragic, it really is sickening and disgusting

[Lemuria]

I'd argue that clear selling probably encourages some players to buy gil so they can afford it. Personally I think it's a poor practice to play the game for someone else, but that's just my opinion.

Anyway, this issue with tons of RMT characters is really getting crazy. In Gridania I found 8 of them all clustered around the summoning bell. Is it really so hard to get someone to log in, patrol the game for a bit and start removing and investigating this sort of thing? The sad part is that at least three of them have been around for a while now.

See, banning and temp banning only goes part way to solving the problem, it needs to be tackled at its source. That's the people who are buying. Cut their source of income and it becomes unprofitable to continue. Who knows, maybe removing the billions of RMT gil from the economy might actually put some affordable prices in the marketplace as well.

[GenJoe]

This is a lie. Nobody who worked for that kind money would spend them on a clear. Everytime you sell a clear, you directly fund RMT. Stop selling clears or stop whining about RMT you are causing.

Trust me.. just because you're a poor pleb.. Doesn't mean there aren't people who can make that kind of gil in this game.

That's like saying, nobody who worked for their money would spend 2 million dollars on a stupid car.. Well?

Some crafters in this game can make 3, 5, 10 million gil a day. paying a few million gil just to get content over with starts to sound like a not too terrible idea when you have that kind of gil coming in.

Do I personally do it?? No, I see no reason to spend money for a clear.. But had I cared about progressing to FCOB, I might just consider paying for a T9 clear considering how few T9 groups are around these days.. if I wanted it bad enough.. I don't, some people do..

I'd argue that clear selling probably encourages some players to buy gil so they can afford it.

key word: SOME

Most proponents of clear selling aren't doing it on the basis of "I need to make more gil, I don't care where it comes from".

Not at all, many people who say it's fine don't even partake in it. When you start structuring rules on a few bad examples, then you really start to cross some fine lines there.

Hell if that were the case, 100% of the human progress would have to be reverted because there is always somebody that doesn't react well to it whether we're talking about medicines or technology


EDIT: I didn't mean to imply that you were.. I just wanted to make that a point and you happened to bring up a good point.

[Lemuria]

I didn't argue that it should be a bannable offense, but I do feel it needs to be strongly discouraged by other means. It's an obvious red flag area because people genuinely struggle on the content and see it as an easy way forwards. There's very little else to spend gil on besides making more gil, especially since most of these paid carry groups offer you full drops during it. So essentially you're not just buying a clear, you're buying endgame equipment.

Correlation does not equal causation, this much is true, but where there's smoke there's usually fire. It's the first place I would start investigating if I were an SE rep.

[StrejdaTom]

This is a lie. Nobody who worked for that kind money would spend them on a clear. Everytime you sell a clear, you directly fund RMT. Stop selling clears or stop whining about RMT you are causing.

If you are speaking to me directly now, I have never sold a clear.
I know people who are sitting at over 300M, there are screens of people who have even 1,9bil of gil only trough crafting and market board speculating. Do you really think that 10M for single clear means anything to them?

Thinking that if you are unable to make such amount of gil everyone who has it is a gilbuyer is extremely ignorant.
Every time when new patch comes and brings something craftable there are huge opportunities for all high-end crafters to make loads of gil in short time. These opportunities are short term but they are huge.

EDIT: But yeah, for example primal weapons for over 2M etc.. only encourage people to buy gil, we should ban these things too.

[Jim_Berry]

Personally I won't even buy shards from the ah any more. it's a pain farming them myself but I can't bring myself to buy them from the ah knowing they are more than likely from rmt.

lol... You're crazy! I wouldn't care who put it on the MB. If I need it, I'll buy it if I can. There's no discrimination when I need to progress in-game.

[ExiledOne]

Personally I've put my /tells on to a tab so I never read them (got fed up being /busy constantly), RMT's response? Friend requests for rmtsite'com sellzgilzklja

This is exactly what I did as well and I now get their annoying friend requests but at least they're less frequent than their /tells, of course, I'm also blacklisting them right after declining their request which may be helping.

[Ahnthistik]

I bought a 4th retainer today
I support this game
I love it more than anything
I understand these ...things...keep the material flow cheap or some such but I go out and farm my own stuff when I need it

[Jim_Berry]

It seems they target some people more than others which creeps me out.
I get spammed with their crap every few minutes and it's driving me nuts
I just want to swing my Zeta axe a few times at these bots and never hear from them again but that's impossible in this game lol
then again it's not like dead/ko'd players can't send tells and shout so it wouldn't do much good

Funny! I keep declining the friend request from the same seller. Then I told myself I'll leave the request there. I ended up with a bunch of requests from (excuse the spelling):
Ggatm'com Sellgilcs
Ggatm'com Sellgildsg
Ggatm'com Sellgilcw
Ggatm'com Sellgildff

It was at this moment that I realized I lost lol...

[dayspring83]

I get that this is an issue but I cant take you seriously with the title of this post. Get a grip.

[Tyrn]

You can probably find more friends at Central Thanalan (22,12) but I don't think they're miners like the rest of the NPCs there, maybe they're trying to make money for Ul'dah in other ways but it's still rude of them to take the miners' bed.