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  1. #1751
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    Uriel Valesti
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    Quote Originally Posted by OlyverW View Post
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    Yeah, I understand that. I just wanted to point it so that when you do get further you wouldn't be all confused and junk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    Aurum Vale ... SCH
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    As a SCH main I know the pain of doing it the first time as one. It was hell for me, especially since I had a speedy tank. I've done it only once after that and it was much easier, since I was use to higher level raids and what not, but I still hate that ugly-ass place.
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  2. #1752
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    Honinbo Dosaku
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    The average level used to be much higher before they removed the loot lockout. 9 times out of 10, every caster and healers used to finish Angrya with still their stoneskins ON. These days, all I see is people ignoring ground double-vision, melee standing front of the boss, not even BOTHERING to turn around to avoid mortal gaze anymore. Back in the early days, when it was one loot/week, some players used to instant-leave as soon as they looted what they were coming for. Due to this, I had to solo-heal ALL bosses or adds floors at one time or another. And it was easily done, by just giving a few commands. "please gather, Aoe Healing" - "X or Y don't fill meteors, you have 3 beam stacks please" - "Don't go too far please, out of healing range" - and people would just be perfectly fine.

    Not sure I could do that anymore, unless I go with friends / FC.
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  3. #1753
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    Drayce Biolith
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    I can understand the concerns for a healer with WoD. I've recently gone through it a couple of times with an alt dps and have tried to learn the mechanics of the fights as quickly as possible to avoid being an extra burden. If I start taking damage as a dps I start rotating through the different defence and self healing cooldowns I have to make things easier for the healers while continuing to pummle the boss. I also own up and apologize when I faceplant something I should've avoided. If a healer rezes me I try to throw them a quick thank you before joining the chaos again (usually while I'm still rising).
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  4. #1754
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
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    And I am genuinly thankful for advice. I ended up doing another ex roulette with my FC and got stuck with keepers again, though this time it went a lot smoother just had to chase the tank maybe a few times
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  5. #1755
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbspender View Post
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    I recently solo healed WoD, multiple times. Its not hard, at all, but it relies a lot on the rest of your group knowing what they should be doing, since you are a lone healer mistakes a lot more punishing. But its still doable, just a lot more stressful lately since 75% of players seem to love ignoring mechanics.

    Quote Originally Posted by sciondar View Post
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    This just made me think of something. How many DPS in WoD actually use their Healing and defense cooldowns? My god. I always forget that they have them, but now that I'm thinking about it how many have actually ignored them?

    My mind is melting going over all the times a DPS was running around with <5% hp for ages waiting for heals, or might have survived from a bit of extra healing or buffed survivability.
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  6. #1756
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    Saseal Korei
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    Quote Originally Posted by sciondar View Post
    /joy xD Good practice to see

    Also, same here. When I go in as bard, I usually try to help lessen the burden my binding arrow and repel away from strays (or bind something chasing someone squishy and hope a non-squishy picks it up/give time to heal that said squishy), or popping feather foot or Second Wind so they have one less to hurry a cure towards. I'll usually type a "thanks" real fast after accepting a raise while the screen is loading - but sometimes I get too focused in general or focused on "fdhjskfds need to ballad need to ballad oh gods teh healers mp I needs to ballad! D:" or "need to cure need to cure oh gads need to cure the everything!"; or the chaos is high (like some Titan EX phases) while being raised and forget my manners x_x; ._.
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  7. #1757
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    Quote Originally Posted by VanilleFang View Post
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    This just made me think of something. How many DPS in WoD actually use their Healing and defense cooldowns? My god. I always forget that they have them, but now that I'm thinking about it how many have actually ignored them?

    My mind is melting going over all the times a DPS was running around with <5% hp for ages waiting for heals, or might have survived from a bit of extra healing or buffed survivability.
    I do similarly when I bard - sometimes it's a matter of "well shit. My Second wind is on cool down, my Feather foot is doing jack diddly and my hi/x/mega potion/elixer just did next to nothing. x_x *out of options*". I try not to lolbrd circle, but.... there's the inner conflict of "I know for a crying fact that raise costs a hell of a lot more MP if I don't kite" and "You look like an idiot and alliance people will have a difficult time targetting you to heal or catching up to the monster" OTL
    But yeah, as another healer main, now I wonder just how many bother, also o_O
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  8. #1758
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    Aiot O'lein
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    I wonder just how many bother, also o_O
    As a DPS main who has a Healer main friend for which I end up tanking for more often than not, I can tell you that 2nd Wind + X-pot together amount to a wooping 2k HP if 2nd Wind did a Crit (this with 652 DEX/STR).

    I use it ASAP but its mostly an "OH SHIT" button that will take you out of the red and hardly notisable in a Healer's point of view, imo.

    Im all in for the promoting of the practice of such skills, and hell I personally always use them, but their cooldown is a bit unforgiving and the heal itself isnt too great... so well, yea...
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  9. #1759
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    Saseal, using Second Wind is a nice reflex, which can crit up to 1500+. Indeed, it will save you countless times.

    Sciondar, don't worry, healers can tell the difference between someone learning the mechanics (and taking some hits when learning), and someone who just doesnt care and won't move/turn around despite pre-fights advice and in-fight macros.


    We are healers, our main job is to heal, absolutely nothing wrong about getting shot the first few times you do a fight.

    Now when we see players tunnelvision the last boss (CoD), whereas the adds popped or meterors are coming, and despite our "<se.5> Meteors! <se.6> macro, followed by a wipe, yes we get pissed.

    And no it's not an issue of language - Meteor in EN is said Meteore in French, Meteor in German, Meteoro in Spanish, Meteora in Italian and I could keep going with the list as the word meteor reads/ pronounces the same in basically every indo-european language, including russian, greek... So yeah everybody understands.

    The same goes for anything involving a plateform. (Fr : Plateforme, ITA Piattaforma, SP Plataforma, GER Plattform) Everybody understands.

    Most basic (and wisest) macros are created, keeping those similarities in mind.
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  10. #1760
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    Quote Originally Posted by cgbspender View Post
    Sciondar, don't worry, healers can tell the difference between someone learning the mechanics (and taking some hits when learning), and someone who just doesnt care and won't move/turn around despite pre-fights advice and in-fight macros.
    ^ This. I can tell when there's gears turning in the player's head by the paths taken/actions done/or behaviors changed by the character. It's easier to pick up on when in 4-mans, though, being less people running amuck and generally less chaos. There's a surprising amount of body language in game characters, even with with limited movements. Confusion (looking around by turning), panic (erratic movements while in certain circumstances), second guessing or mentally fatigued (*AoE apears* 'Left... No right!'), 'AHa' moments (realizing or observing the reactions to a mechanic not earlier described and applying that realization to the mechanic every time after), etc... even things like reactionary impulsiveness to back up when seeing something large (apprehension, unsure, etc).

    If you use WoD as an example, I've seen new DPS go to Cerb's rear as per usual. Tail AoE came out... by second tail swipe, it became clear that standing behind it and the constant tail AOEs were correlated and the rear was then relatively clear of the new DPS - who then occupied the sides.
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