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    Quote Originally Posted by Galdous View Post
    Things about things
    While I understand what you are saying there is something you should realize. Gaming companies realized a very long time ago that making raids and gear exclusive to only those who had the time or excelled at raiding was not a very good business model. Locking customers out of the very content they want them to see and experience is just bad business in terms of being a successful game these days. Much of the target market that play MMO's have been playing them since early 99. What that means is a lot of people started playing MMO's in their early teens young adult life.

    This same group are now adults with full time jobs businesses to run, and children to raise. If you think SE doesn't take these types of things into account when presenting content to their customers you are certainly mistaken then. SE realizes they have to stagger gear progression to give it the appearance of taking time and to not alienate several different core customers ie: hardcore, casual/hardcore, and casuals. You see its a balance and I for one think SE has done a fine job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donarudo View Post
    This same group are now adults with full time jobs businesses to run, and children to raise. If you think SE doesn't take these types of things into account when presenting content to their customers you are certainly mistaken then. SE realizes they have to stagger gear progression to give it the appearance of taking time and to not alienate several different core customers ie: hardcore, casual/hardcore, and casuals. You see its a balance and I for one think SE has done a fine job.
    So why can't they stagger it a bit more so that if a non raider wants to have the same ilvl as the raid gears, they can wait until the content those raid gear comes from gets replaced with a new one? That's only when the former raid becomes relevant to them anyway (echo and all).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    So why can't they stagger it a bit more so that if a non raider wants to have the same ilvl as the raid gears, they can wait until the content those raid gear comes from gets replaced with a new one? That's only when the former raid becomes relevant to them anyway (echo and all).
    I don't know why...I am just pointing out what I think SE's thought process is on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donarudo View Post
    I don't know why...I am just pointing out what I think SE's thought process is on the matter.
    Everybody with a brain knows that ilvl isn't forever. Even if you have the best gear from raiding it's gonna get obsolete and outclassed by even a dungeon gear (see bcob gear and the current i100 dungeon drops). Even if raiders get this so called time advantage for raiding as opposed to people who just do easy dungeons to collect currencies, does it really make sense to already marginalize that advantage while the raid the gear comes from is still at its prime? People can already be at the same ilvl as the raider within just 1 3month patch?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
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    I should clarify. I don't know why it isn't done the way you stated in the previous quote. I chuckled at the brain statement by the way. Also of course its going to be obsolete eventually. Also to be clear I am not disagreeing with your logic here. Last It doesn't really matter in the end what I think to be frank. What matters is this conversation is important enough to at least entertain the conversations to understand why people are at odds with the current system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardes View Post
    Everybody with a brain knows that ilvl isn't forever. Even if you have the best gear from raiding it's gonna get obsolete and outclassed by even a dungeon gear (see bcob gear and the current i100 dungeon drops). Even if raiders get this so called time advantage for raiding as opposed to people who just do easy dungeons to collect currencies, does it really make sense to already marginalize that advantage while the raid the gear comes from is still at its prime? People can already be at the same ilvl as the raider within just 1 3month patch?
    Except SCoB and FCoB were already pass their prime when Tome gear was freely available for upgrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donarudo View Post
    While I understand what you are saying there is something you should realize. Gaming companies realized a very long time ago that making raids and gear exclusive to only those who had the time or excelled at raiding was not a very good business model. Locking customers out of the very content they want them to see and experience is just bad business in terms of being a successful game these days. Much of the target market that play MMO's have been playing them since early 99.
    WOW would like to have a word with you.

    Please check http://www.wowprogress.com/
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    Quote Originally Posted by raelgun View Post
    WOW would like to have a word with you.

    Please check http://www.wowprogress.com/
    I'm sorry why the reference to WoW when we are discussing Final Fantasy 14?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Donarudo View Post
    I'm sorry why the reference to WoW when we are discussing Final Fantasy 14?
    Because its progression model is a very close copy of WoW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karen_Cerfrumos View Post
    Because its progression model is a very close copy of WoW.
    Ahhh...I see. Yeah I totally missed that point. Thanks for the clarification.
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