Square, if youre going to ban Gil buyers, give them a PERMANENT ban

[Spawnie]

It looks suspicious, but that doesn't necessarily mean they bought gil. Some players literally have hundreds of millions of gil earned purely through hard work and working the marketboard.

exactly this// its really not that hard to make gil in ff14 with a tiny bit of effort.. always laugh when some1 states players that brought a house by themselves are automatically gil buyers/bots lol

[DragonFlyy]

Indeed, when gilbuyers are banned, and potential gilbuyers too afraid to buy, then the RMT issue will truly be resolved.

But will SE do it? Given how much they love subscription money? They seem to like the money more than the game.

During the beginning of RMT issues on Everquest, Sony started banning both parties. Permanently. They even went after EBay to get them to stop allowing accounts and other Everquest items to be sold. It didn't stop the RMT. RMT will always be there, people will still buy gil/gold/platinum (whatever the currency is) because they will think they can't be caught. There is only one true way to stop RMT 100% in a game (at least one that involves game currency) and that's to remove trading, completely. It still won't get rid of RMT totally, they will still sell accounts, but it would be so miniscule that no one would notice. However, removing trading would destroy this game and many others that have open economies.

[Asierid]

During the beginning of RMT issues on Everquest, Sony started banning both parties. Permanently. They even went after EBay to get them to stop allowing accounts and other Everquest items to be sold. It didn't stop the RMT. RMT will always be there, people will still buy gil/gold/platinum (whatever the currency is) because they will think they can't be caught. There is only one true way to stop RMT 100% in a game (at least one that involves game currency) and that's to remove trading, completely. It still won't get rid of RMT totally, they will still sell accounts, but it would be so miniscule that no one would notice. However, removing trading would destroy this game and many others that have open economies.

Exactly. People fail to realize that RMT will exist either way unless the game takes away trading or a market. At that point it isn't even an MMO.

So, while it sucks, you have to deal with it.

[GenJoe]

It also hurts more advanced players as well.

The other day I went to buy some Vit IV materia for platinum slaying accessories. It seems a certian someone my server bought a boatload of gil. The price had jumped from 200K all the way to 899K, since this person had bought everything, regardless ofnthe cost. The same went for savage aim and might. Won't be doing those acc anytime soon I think.

Ahh I knew the name looked familiar on MB..
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ate-Night-fc-s

This guy.

He's in ICE9, Tetra will just throw millions here and there randomly, I'm not saying that's what he must've done, but that could be the source of the gil since they're on the same FC.

[LineageRazor]

The Japanese players hate RMT even more than we do and, quite frankly, avoided buying gil from the start. Period. They don't care if it could give them a leg-up on other players because that's not how Japanese players think.

Positive stereotyping is still stereotyping. Japanese people are still people, and that means that some of them are better players than others, some of them are less patient than others, some of them are less honest than others. There are Japanese gilbuyers, I guarantee it. They aren't some pack of hive-mind aliens with perfect societal harmony. They are human beings, just like you and me. When you read Japanese literature or watch Japanese television shows or movies, the characters and their motivations are all quite relateable to people outside of their culture. Japanese people don't think as differently from people from other cultures as some folks like to insist. They have plenty of jerks, glory hounds, and trolls to go around, just as other cultures do.

I don't know whether it's actually true that JP servers have less RMT spam than other servers, or whether it's a "grass is greener" thing and people only percieve it to be so, but even if it IS true, I don't think the reasons for it have anything to do with the stereotype of Japanese putting group before self. In fact, even if you buy into the whole "group before self" thing, that's all the more reason to buy gil - if you're failing to properly support your group, it's your obligation to shell out extra money to fix yourself up; not for your own personal glory, but for the good of the group.

There's a tendency among players to idealize Japanese players. It's not healthy, and it's also not accurate.

[AmaiHanakaze]

There are Japanese gilbuyers, I guarantee it. They aren't some pack of hive-mind aliens with perfect societal harmony. They are human beings, just like you and me.

As someone with an alt on a JP server, I'm sure you're 100% correct. If there weren't gilbuyers on Titan, I wouldn't see RMT teleporting around and cheating their way through crap... but I see the level 50 THM bots every day.

I don't know whether it's actually true that JP servers have less RMT spam than other servers...

On Titan, I have never received a single RMT spam tell or seen a shout. I tend to play there 2-3 days a week and I'm a 50 WHM so it's not like I haven't spent any significant time on that server. The situation is far different on Hyperion. Titan is a really small server in comparison though. Even during busy times, it's a fraction of Hyperion's playerbase. Maybe they aren't active there because there isn't a large population to target.

Positive stereotyping is still stereotyping. "the stereotype of Japanese putting group before self."

There's a tendency among players to idealize Japanese players. It's not healthy, and it's also not accurate.

Can get behind this from my experiences too. While I will say a lot of instances (Crystal Tower raids especially) are far, far, far smoother to play through.... some JPs will roll Need on armor for their retainers even if they themselves are decked out in full i130 with i135 max relic... even when you're sitting there in i70 armor trying to improve yourself. It's not a perfect world anywhere.

[Ashkendor]

The other day I went to buy some Vit IV materia for platinum slaying accessories. It seems a certian someone my server bought a boatload of gil. The price had jumped from 200K all the way to 899K, since this person had bought everything, regardless ofnthe cost. The same went for savage aim and might. Won't be doing those acc anytime soon I think.

So... just because they bought some materia, they must have bought gil?

That accusation is completely unfounded.

exactly this// its really not that hard to make gil in ff14 with a tiny bit of effort.. always laugh when some1 states players that brought a house by themselves are automatically gil buyers/bots lol

I actually find it pretty offensive. 'Since I don't know how to do it, anyone who does must buy their gil.'

Ridiculous. Absolutely ridiculous. News flash, people: some players are good at the market.

[Warlyx]

Banned guil sellers will buy the game again if they make money, banned guill buyers may not. It's a simple business decision.

and what about legit players that quit because RMT? if u keep Gil buyers and drive away players that dont buy u are just digging you own grave.

[DoctorPepper]

So... just because they bought some materia, they must have bought gil?

That accusation is completely unfounded.

lol that seems to be the general consensus from people who can't afford things. I don't think they realize how often people with gil buy highly sought after items, like materia, in order to relist them at higher prices. I know if somebody undercuts my items by a certain amount I usually buy it and relist it at my own price, it's really the only way you can avoid undercutters to some degree. I've made a few bad buys that way but for the most part it's only made me wealthier.

[Shadray]

and what about legit players that quit because RMT? if u keep Gil buyers and drive away players that dont buy u are just digging you own grave.

I doubt there are many who would quit, it's a mild annoyance at best.