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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    This comes with a caveat. You have to actually present the advice as advice.

    Far too often people don't tell people why they're screwing up, just that they suck. Or presenting it in an aggressive manner like "omg, how come you can't even dodge a simple AoE?". I see this far and away more often than I see people getting upset about the advice given. Most people get upset because of the manner in which it's delivered.
    But... if you're lv 50, how CAN you not dodge a blaring red spot right under your feet? No explanation, the person is simply not paying attention or underestimating the effects of the aoe, thinking they could just soak it up.. Neither of which deserve advice, advice can't fix that, there's no secret to dodging aoe, just gotta stay focused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GenJoe View Post
    But... if you're lv 50, how CAN you not dodge a blaring red spot right under your feet? No explanation, the person is simply not paying attention or underestimating the effects of the aoe, thinking they could just soak it up.. Neither of which deserve advice, advice can't fix that, there's no secret to dodging aoe, just gotta stay focused.
    There are countless reasons. Healers mid-spell cast trying to keep a tank alive, thinking they'd have just enough time to escape. Lag spikes on your connection. What if the skill itself is NOT telegraphed and doesn't even have an AoE marker? Divebombs are a good example of that mechanic, and there are plenty of others.

    Experienced players often forget that there's a lot to take in for some of the later fights. A lot of dodging required, some times you'll misjudge something, avoiding one AoE only to run into the path of another. Some AoE's are quite sizable too, meaning you have to already be moving when the skill is cast to dodge it. Not everything is black and white, and when people realise that mistakes are a natural part of learning it's much easier to forgive the odd error in judgment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemuria View Post
    There are countless reasons. Healers mid-spell cast trying to keep a tank alive, thinking they'd have just enough time to escape. Lag spikes on your connection. What if the skill itself is NOT telegraphed and doesn't even have an AoE marker? Divebombs are a good example of that mechanic, and there are plenty of others.

    Experienced players often forget that there's a lot to take in for some of the later fights. A lot of dodging required, some times you'll misjudge something, avoiding one AoE only to run into the path of another. Some AoE's are quite sizable too, meaning you have to already be moving when the skill is cast to dodge it. Not everything is black and white, and when people realise that mistakes are a natural part of learning it's much easier to forgive the odd error in judgment.
    Obviously, I'm referring to the AOEs that have the telegraphs... No amount of "advice" will help the person dodge that.. If they're lagging, too bad, can't teach'em how to account for the delay.
    If they thought they'd have enough time, well now they know.. or at least "should" know.

    What I'm saying is, there are many instances where the mistakes people make are so beyond correcting with a word of advice, that's when people no longer try the constructive criticism..

    Sure, if it's a non-telegraphed aoe, then most people will explain the mechanics if you just ask.. in a learning party. Problem is some people think they know everything when clearly, they don't.. That gap is what causes the problems. In order to give advice, you have to have a receptive audience. Many cases, people are not receptive regardless of your delivery.
    Some people are incapable of learning, and some people just REFUSE to learn other people's way of doing things.. In either case, if you belong in that group, stay out of the end-game raids, it's not for everybody.. I myself being one of them also, I stay out of the end-game raids.. I don't wanna put in the work and I sure as hell don't expect other people to carry me through them.
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