Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Sapphic]

All I am saying is be nice to the people that are trying to learn and give it some time

Players honestly wanting to learn and making an effort on their own initiative isn't the problem, they are to be applauded. The problem is those that take any advice as a personal attack on themselves as they cannot comprehend past their own ego that they aren't as good as they think they are, or simply they have entitlement issues where they feel they don't need to learn and that everyone else should cater to their needs and do it for them. They are what causes the problems, not the former.

When I join DF I expect there may be new players, and it is fun helping them (note helping, not carrying a dead weight) to get their first clear, even if a wipe or 3 is involved, laugh it off, bolster them, throw out some advice for next try. But I won't keep a plyer in who fails at the most basic things constantly, holds back the party and turns to insults when friendly advice is given or totally ignores it and continues to be a douche. I'll ask the party in party chat if they want to replace because, so the player can see why they are getting removed to try and shake them into seeing where the problem really lies. It always leads to a kick, tis a shame, but their actions where spoiling it for everyone else.

[GenJoe]

Players honestly wanting to learn and making an effort on their own initiative isn't the problem, they are to be applauded. The problem is those that take any advice as a personal attack on themselves as they cannot comprehend past their own ego that they aren't as good as they think they are, or simply they have entitlement issues where they feel they don't need to learn and that everyone else should cater to their needs and do it for them. They are what causes the problems, not the former.

Yep, that seems to be the most problematic of the bunch and makes people jaded..
You can only deal with incompetence for so long when you're tackling tough contents where 1 person can wipe the whole raid. Do that for a few weeks, few months.. What do you expect? You get sick of the attitude.

I think the attitude is more prevalent in FF14, for most part because many of the players are first time MMO players. I'm not saying that MMO player base isn't toxic in their own right, but the sense of entitlement thinking you don't NEED to get better to tackle end-game content (just look at how many forum posts exist that promote every end-game content should be readily beatable by everybody) or not having a thick enough skin to deal with criticism of any kind is not as prevalent in other MMOs.. Simply because that's a common sight, you get used to it.


For example: I don't participate in coils, I've done T5 because my friend got a group together and needed a healer for it. Other than that, I've never had the desire nor the motivation to tackle it. I've done end-game raids before in other games, so I know what to expect.. I know how toxic and obsessed I can be when I'm in that environment. So I simply opt out of it. That comes with my previous experience of MMOs, I just know what to expect, what kind of work end-game raids will require, etc.

Many people in this game seem completely oblivious to this concept and expect that they should be able to finish 100% of all the contents within the game.. Sure, admirable, but they don't realize how much work they have ahead of them. How much min/maxing they need to do. WHY min/maxing is even a requirement in the first place.
That kind of crowd in end-game environment is just asking for trouble.. When 80% of the group has spent tens of million in gil, getting all the gear to BiS, pentamelding their accessories to min/max their stats, then they run into this one random guy who think he can do it with i110 gear (because previous encounters let you think this.. ST, WoD, Extreme Primals, all have a low gear check) then they wonder why people get pissed off for their unpreparedness and simply fail to see when people point it out that the problem indeed, lies with them.

[Lemuria]

Players honestly wanting to learn and making an effort on their own initiative isn't the problem, they are to be applauded. The problem is those that take any advice as a personal attack on themselves as they cannot comprehend past their own ego that they aren't as good as they think they are, or simply they have entitlement issues where they feel they don't need to learn and that everyone else should cater to their needs and do it for them. They are what causes the problems, not the former.

This comes with a caveat. You have to actually present the advice as advice.

Far too often people don't tell people why they're screwing up, just that they suck. Or presenting it in an aggressive manner like "omg, how come you can't even dodge a simple AoE?". I see this far and away more often than I see people getting upset about the advice given. Most people get upset because of the manner in which it's delivered.

[GenJoe]

This comes with a caveat. You have to actually present the advice as advice.

Far too often people don't tell people why they're screwing up, just that they suck. Or presenting it in an aggressive manner like "omg, how come you can't even dodge a simple AoE?". I see this far and away more often than I see people getting upset about the advice given. Most people get upset because of the manner in which it's delivered.

But... if you're lv 50, how CAN you not dodge a blaring red spot right under your feet? No explanation, the person is simply not paying attention or underestimating the effects of the aoe, thinking they could just soak it up.. Neither of which deserve advice, advice can't fix that, there's no secret to dodging aoe, just gotta stay focused.

[Lemuria]

But... if you're lv 50, how CAN you not dodge a blaring red spot right under your feet? No explanation, the person is simply not paying attention or underestimating the effects of the aoe, thinking they could just soak it up.. Neither of which deserve advice, advice can't fix that, there's no secret to dodging aoe, just gotta stay focused.

There are countless reasons. Healers mid-spell cast trying to keep a tank alive, thinking they'd have just enough time to escape. Lag spikes on your connection. What if the skill itself is NOT telegraphed and doesn't even have an AoE marker? Divebombs are a good example of that mechanic, and there are plenty of others.

Experienced players often forget that there's a lot to take in for some of the later fights. A lot of dodging required, some times you'll misjudge something, avoiding one AoE only to run into the path of another. Some AoE's are quite sizable too, meaning you have to already be moving when the skill is cast to dodge it. Not everything is black and white, and when people realise that mistakes are a natural part of learning it's much easier to forgive the odd error in judgment.

[GenJoe]

There are countless reasons. Healers mid-spell cast trying to keep a tank alive, thinking they'd have just enough time to escape. Lag spikes on your connection. What if the skill itself is NOT telegraphed and doesn't even have an AoE marker? Divebombs are a good example of that mechanic, and there are plenty of others.

Experienced players often forget that there's a lot to take in for some of the later fights. A lot of dodging required, some times you'll misjudge something, avoiding one AoE only to run into the path of another. Some AoE's are quite sizable too, meaning you have to already be moving when the skill is cast to dodge it. Not everything is black and white, and when people realise that mistakes are a natural part of learning it's much easier to forgive the odd error in judgment.

Obviously, I'm referring to the AOEs that have the telegraphs... No amount of "advice" will help the person dodge that.. If they're lagging, too bad, can't teach'em how to account for the delay.
If they thought they'd have enough time, well now they know.. or at least "should" know.

What I'm saying is, there are many instances where the mistakes people make are so beyond correcting with a word of advice, that's when people no longer try the constructive criticism..

Sure, if it's a non-telegraphed aoe, then most people will explain the mechanics if you just ask.. in a learning party. Problem is some people think they know everything when clearly, they don't.. That gap is what causes the problems. In order to give advice, you have to have a receptive audience. Many cases, people are not receptive regardless of your delivery.
Some people are incapable of learning, and some people just REFUSE to learn other people's way of doing things.. In either case, if you belong in that group, stay out of the end-game raids, it's not for everybody.. I myself being one of them also, I stay out of the end-game raids.. I don't wanna put in the work and I sure as hell don't expect other people to carry me through them.

[Sapphic]

This comes with a caveat. You have to actually present the advice as advice.

I understand what you are saying, but I like to think I present in a proper way. An example, Turn 9 twisters. I'll tell them "With Twisters, one trick I was told is that if you have Twintania focus targetted, makes it easier to spot when she starts casting if you smacking the knights, that little trick helped me to get past it " Sometimes I'll get, "I'll try that thanks" Other times I'll get verbal abuse or ignored. The latter, no matter how you present advice, they won't take it.