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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceyBruceyBangBang View Post
    The only thing that needs to be addressed is the pricing wars idiots have between each other affecting other players and players who put gear up extremely low priced to "get rid of it". Then, in return, those mentioned idiots lower their prices low too cause, "THEY CAN'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT".

    On the plus side of the exact same subject, it's harder to control the pricing when it is visible. Meaning you will have to take control of the outlet. Since this is nearly impossible, you won't really find many items that are being held hostage in the market wards for an asinine price.

    On the subject of AH, at this point we don't need one really. Just the way the MW function regarding items everyone anticipates on being rare and expensive. Perhaps as another person suggested, an auction row where pricing is blind. I think that would be enough to accommodate.
    You realize a healthy chunk of that is from the people running bots buying out items and re-listing them at their own prices right? They are putting their items super low because they barely have to work to get the items. What might take a normal player hours to gather the leather, metal and or cloth to make a chest piece takes a botter with his 'herd' a fraction of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenidate View Post
    You realize a healthy chunk of that is from the people running bots buying out items and re-listing them at their own prices right? They are putting their items super low because they barely have to work to get the items. What might take a normal player hours to gather the leather, metal and or cloth to make a chest piece takes a botter with his 'herd' a fraction of the time.
    Sounds like that justifies having a more...I don't even know what to call it anymore as to not stir up a shit storm...not ah that seems to light people up. But whatever you call it. I want it, and I want to know if they're going to implement it and how if they do decide to put it in.
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    This issue is right up there next to day one stuff like oh idk Linkshell Admin~
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phenidate View Post
    You realize a healthy chunk of that is from the people running bots buying out items and re-listing them at their own prices right? They are putting their items super low because they barely have to work to get the items. What might take a normal player hours to gather the leather, metal and or cloth to make a chest piece takes a botter with his 'herd' a fraction of the time.
    That's a little conspiracy theorist. I was mainly talking about harder to get/craft items that bots (assuming you mean RMT) don't ever see in their inventories. Raptor skins, sinew, middle and upper gear, Toad skins, upper accessories, even R50 party NM materials and crafted items. Of course, these items change in pricing dependent on demand, but things sometimes do go out of control with an impatient player in the mist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anathiel View Post
    Its semantics, I call it an AH because that's what its called in every other MMO. You can hate on the name of it, but that's what's it called. People new to a game are called amateurs but we call them noobs. Its just a word. And part of the info I'm trying to get is if they do indeed implement AH's how would they do so.
    Semantics is extremely important when dealing with a multilingual community. Words mean what they mean, not what we want them to mean.

    Look at Yoshi's use of the correct English meaning of "raid" in place of the corrupted Everquest/WoW meaning of the word.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anathiel View Post
    Sounds like that justifies having a more...I don't even know what to call it anymore as to not stir up a shit storm...not ah that seems to light people up. But whatever you call it. I want it, and I want to know if they're going to implement it and how if they do decide to put it in.
    They need to implement a more direct market for players to use, which clearly states WHO is selling the item, WHEN it was posted, and WHAT other items have been sold in the past few days, weeks, months. If someone is trying to manipulate a market they can more easily be outed as doing just that, when a 'player' is doing this on many dozens of items and adding new items at an unprecedented rate (80 new jerkins in 2 hours? 180 new chainmail coifs in the last hour?) we need to be able to see it.

    At least a typical AH lends it self, in recent MMOs, to a centralized location with a fairly comprehensive UI. HOW the stupid thing works is irrelevant. I don't even care if we call it "Jim Bobs Flea Market for the Finest Arcane Garbage of Eorzea", just centralize the system and make it more transparent as to who is moving what where and how often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cairdeas
    AH is not necessary, Only Time and Convenience Are. And they can be implemented into the wards.
    Considering you might have to run around several wards to get the 2-3 items you want when you could just do it from an interface, I'd prefer an EVE style market where you can put in buy orders (without needing the item first) as well as sell orders. It's simple and it'll get things done.



    Those of us claiming not to want an Auction House dont want those bidding mechanics, so we have to fight extra hard against the people blindly asking for an Auction House. We don't want SE confused.
    I agree with not confusing the devs.

    It should be a single interface where you can sell all your stuff and put in simple buy orders (type in the name of the item). For the things you want to buy or sell, everything is shown on a list if you have the money, you can click on it and buy the number of items you want. Navigation should be better than having windows constantly closing and opening.

    BTW for each item, add a page for past price history over the last day, week, month, 3 months, and overall.
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    No one expects the miquote inquisition!!!

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    just centralize the system and make it more transparent as to who is moving what where and how often.
    just centralizing the system don't help economy at all, you know ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anathiel View Post
    So...you wouldn't welcome (For example!) A system where... let's say its 2007 and there's One krakens club for an entire ff:xi server, you put it up on a bidding auction and watch the gil flood in. That is one of the reasons I could see the benefit of a free auction. Rare items are worth whatever people are willing to pay, what's wrong with that?
    Except this is 2011, And SE hasn't released any item as sought after as the Kraken Club and not made it untradable.
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    I have to thank Square-Enix for the amazing job they have done recreating Final Fantasy XIV from Scratch. Especially the inclusion of Missing Genders which we petitioned for in good faith. This was proof to us players that the Developers are truly Sympathetic to our requests and that being honest and vocal can pay off with the amazing characters we have who are Female Roegadyn, Male Miqote, and Female Highlanders. Thank You SE, Thank You Community Team, Thank You Yoshi-P.

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    It needs something more than what we have. Right now we have hundreds of anonymously dropped retainers by who knows what.

    Working against RMT is not paranoia. I can go out to Cedarwood or Camp Tranquil and dig up a couple botany or craft bots easy. They are there and they sure as heck aren't botting just for the fun of it.
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