Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Sapphic]

First rule of being a good dps: Striking dummies mean nothing. DPS always looks different on an actual boss. :P

EDIT: You really have no idea what you are talking about, lol

Depends on the boss :P turn 8, 100% uptime, it is a striking dummy for MNK XD But yeah, dummy is to practice rotations, get muscle memory down.

If you think i90 doing 200 on a striking dummy isn't possible? Wow, you must know absolutely terrible dps.

I have a feeling he wants someone to prove him wrong just so he can go "THIS PERSON USES A PARSER, BAN HIM". He can't legitimately think it's impossible to break 200 dps on a WOD boss, let alone a striking dummy with any difficulty.

Well, least we know now why he doesn't get invited to parties for hard content XD

[Tiggy]

He can't legitimately think it's impossible to break 200 dps on a WOD boss, let alone a striking dummy with any difficulty.

The funny thing is some people do over 600 and he's acting like people can't do only a 3rd of that.

[gamesmart]

Depends on the boss :P turn 7, 100% uptime, it is a striking dummy for MNK XD But yeah, dummy is to practice rotations, get muscle memory down.

I think you mean T8? Cursed Shriek kills stacks any day of the week.

[Skivvy]

Falsely suggesting the only upgrades past 90 are extremely long grind relic weapons. Do you normally try to make a point with useless hyperbole?

1 weekly Crystal Tower Quest = Tomestone + 3 weeks of poetics = 120 weapon. In that three weeks you would easily complete the quest 2 more times and therefore have the twine to upgrade it to 130. This isn't rocket science. Your point fails, and I didn't even get into Shiva weapons for an easy 115 weapon yet.



Not a single word in those definitions had any inherently negative connotation. You are adding that with your own prejudice. However I invite you to point out the negative words there. If you actually can.

Uhhh, I think you need to reread my comment, Mr. Sassypants. I was advising the OP that the term they should have been using this entire thread is the term "elite". Despite what they (and obviously many others in this thread) think, an elitist is vastly different from an elite player.

The line that you conveniently left out of my quoted comment would have proved useful for you to read.


As a reminder of what I actually typed:

Skip over to Elite, and you'll have the term you're looking for.

elite - per dictionary.com
1.(often used with a plural verb) the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.
2.
(used with a plural verb) persons of the highest class:
Only the elite were there.
3.
a group of persons exercising the major share of authority or influence within a larger group:
the power elite of a major political party.
4. (skipping #4 as it deal with type size. lol)
Adjective
5.
representing the most choice or select; best:
an elite group of authors.



If you honestly cannot understand the negative connotation that is associated with the term "Elitist" in the gaming community, well, I just don't know. But by all means, keep claiming to be an elitist. In reading some of your comments, perhaps you truly do belong in that class.

This whole thread is a load of rubbish.

[Sapphic]

I think you mean T8? Cursed Shriek kills stacks any day of the week.

Ooops totally :P Has been a while XD

[Tiggy]

Uhhh, I think you need to reread my comment, Mr. Sassypants. I was advising the OP that the term they should have been using this entire thread is the term "elite". Despite what they (and obviously many others in this thread) think, an elitist is vastly different from an elite player.

An elitist is just one who considers themselves elite. The OP even used the definition of elitist.

Dictionary.com: Elitist - a person or class of person considered superior by others or by themselves.

By that definition it has no inherent negative connotation. People give it that connotation. Not the definition itself, and yet people in this very thread keep acting like he is redefining elitist. He isn't. He's using the dictionary defined usage of it where everyone with the negative connotation is not.

What I would accept is that there are multiple definitions for elitist. Some are negative, some not. No one has made that argument yet from what I can tell, but both would technically be accurate definitions. Everyone here seems to think there should be only one. This isn't the highlander.

[siverstorm]

People lose stacks every 15 seconds on a 100% uptime fight?

Ya crazy kids.

[Skivvy]

An elitist is just one who considers themselves elite. The OP even used the definition of elitist.


By definition it has no inherent negative connotation. People give it that connotation. Not the definition itself, and yet people in this very thread keep acting like he is redefining elitist. He isn't. He's using the dictionary defined usage of it where everyone with the negative connotation is not.

Oh bloody hell. We're going in circles here. Take a minute, and go to the dictionary.com entry for elitist. All of the examples they provide along with their definitions are negative.

Elitist:
1.
(of a person or class of persons) considered superior by others or by themselves, as in intellect, talent, power, wealth, or position in society:
elitist country clubbers who have theirs and don't care about anybody else.
2.
catering to or associated with an elitist class, its ideologies, or its institutions:
Even at such a small, private college, Latin and Greek are under attack as too elitist.
noun
3.
a person having, thought to have, or professing superior intellect or talent, power, wealth, or membership in the upper echelons of society:
He lost a congressional race in Texas by being smeared as an Eastern elitist.
4.
a person who believes in the superiority of an elitist class.

To fully understand a word, you need to account for the context in which they are to be used. So yes, elitist and elite are still miles apart.

Anyone can make ANYTHING sound good when you start snipping out the bits you don't like. Shoot, I can make Hitler sound like a saint if I just leave out a few of those pesky details of his later years.

[Tiggy]

So yes, elitist and elite are still miles apart.

Never said or implied they weren't. You did however seek to correct the OP the correct term to use where the one he did use was technically very viable for the discussion at hand. Elite, as you say and I agree, should be part of the conversation though. Elite does not eliminate the context for using the word elitist and vice-versa.

However, this is literally arguing semantics, and doesn't change anything or help with the topic at hand.

The only negative connotations I see in your text are the examples in which the word is used in.

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Dictionary authors aren't unbiased.

Exactly. Agreed completely. The pure definitions themselves aren't necessarily negative, but that doesn't prevent them from being use in both negative and positive ways. It's a great example of bias to suggest one or the other in those sentence examples.

[gamesmart]

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The only negative connotations I see in your text are the examples in which the word is used in. I see no sign that elitism is bad in the core definitions themselves - we as people associate it with a negative connotation because we've been influenced to think that way (elite = bad and everyone should be equal and all that).

Dictionary authors aren't unbiased.

EDIT: Yes, I'm aware of the connotation. Yes, it's often how I look at the word too. But try to think outside of your own beliefs, from a different perspective. Even if you don't like that perspective, you won't understand it unless you try.