Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This is the reason why people cannot learn it. If you refusing help how do you expect people to learn?

You misunderstood me there. Immediately after that, I did say I've never turned anyone away when asking for help, and I encourage them to try, with or without me.

When I said "I don't force anyone. . ." this was with regards to the fact that quite a long time ago, many in my FC made it quite clear that they weren't interested in raiding. One of my friends told me that they simply weren't interested in Coil, and I respect that. I don't ask her to run it, and I don't force her to join any learning parties for it or anything. . . However she DID recently take the initiative and with help from me is now up to T7. I'm proud of her for that.

[Anna_Lannis]

I think this was kind of what the OP wanted, seeing as she chose to joined in on the berating of nameless people than can't do content.

This thread was getting to be a few steps short of a witch hunt anyway.

That's the problem with posts like these is you aren't allowed to criticise them, because if you do you're a scrub.

[Yitan]

[technole]

Personally, I feel that having to study and research for a game fight is a bit silly. If it were any other type of game (or any other type of RPG, for that matter), it would be considered cheating. I don't see why people are so utterly shocked an appalled when they run into people that don't feel that it's necessary to research a fight, before the first try.

It's more on the philosophy of people joining high-end content in the Duty Finder. I'm not talking about casual trials like Steps of Faith, you can go into that one blind no problem because the NPC actually tells you everything you need to know to clear the instance. It's a story mode fight, and you are likely to get someone or two that may even explain things without hesitation or grief.

But with high-end content like extreme primals and coil, generally the expectation if one is going to use it to form a party is that they have working knowledge of the fight, and preferably experience enough to clear the instance. That is how it works on the Japanese servers. Not at-least researching content that has been out for months to more than a year now is also a way of telling others you don't value their time to help you clear the content in a appropriate amount of time.

Now I don't always discount a soldiery bonus as bad thing. You can have people whom just didn't have the right party together to clear, and if you put them in the right situation where the others know the instance and their own jobs well, they will clear with no problem.

[siverstorm]

Man, 40 pages and still going.

I think I've stopped caring about distinctions. No matter what I could say here someone will nitpick and call me out on it.

If I find a player who's struggling with content but putting forth effort I'll respect that and help them if needed.
If I find a player who doesn't care/wants to get carried and complains about everything being too hard then I won't care (until alexander normal comes out then no one has any right to complain about savage being too hard edit: barring if a fight actually has a bug or something).
If I find a player, good or bad, who chooses to approach everything with an aggressive "go **** yourself" attitude then I won't have any respect for them and my patience will be exceptionally thin with them.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Personally, I feel that having to study and research for a game fight is a bit silly. If it were any other type of game (or any other type of RPG, for that matter), it would be considered cheating. I don't see why people are so utterly shocked an appalled when they run into people that don't feel that it's necessary to research a fight, before the first try.

You make a good point, and honestly I used to feel that way too. But let me point out: this ISN'T any other type of RPG. Its an MMO. And while I still consider myself new to the world of MMOs, I've learned to take it as it is. I expect it to be an MMO, and not something else. That means if it takes a little more work or effort to be good at it, I'll simply do that. I like Tetris too, but that doesn't require, nor offer as much as FFXIV.

Most of my FC and I used to play White Knight Chronicles way back when. We were all pretty good in that too. But none of those good skills transferred over to this game well at all. And I had to reiterate that many times when discussions would break down into "I don't like [insert content here]" or "I wish this was more like [insert WKC reference here]". It's not WKC. In good and bad ways. But that's also the same reason I accept and enjoy FFXIV.

[Magusrex]

Many of you are choosing not to "hear" what we are saying and cherry-picking things. I do not think there is one person anywhere who says they will not help. Where we get frustrated is when you come undergeared to old content, have no knowledge of the mechanics and don't even use all the abilities of your job. If you are not those things...stop right there, we are not talking you.

However if your groups tend to wipe a lot, you die often, struggle with new content but refuse to do anything to improve and you say," I am joining DF anyway, if you join DF that is what you must expect don't complain to me or anyone else about it"....yeah we think extremely little of you, we don't like you, don't want to help you and wish you would do something else...that's brutal honesty..

Show up and fail, ask what you are doing wrong, say you will go watch of video if it will help, offer to step out if you just can't get it. All of us are probably saying...No please stay we can do this, unless we know you can't. I have led enough raids to know really fast if the group I am with is capable of carrying a player, if we can I will...If the potential for our success is marginal at best, and the undergeared person or someone who fails tothe same mechanic repeatedly should step out for the benefit of others I will tell them.

There are many of you out there, if there wasn't, people would not be here complaining. I join stuff and 7 others all fail to the first mechanic, I can understand why people leave. I don't, I will give it a second shot, if we show improvement count me in, if it is worse or the same or they pull before we can even discuss what went wrong...I'm sorry I'm out have fun

[BIues]

[snip]

Pretty much this. I haven't delved super far into late game (haven't done [cleared] Coils, no one to go with.. -_-) but I've played MMOs for a long time. Even if I'm "new," in a few minutes or tries, I'm more than likely going to be better than your worst party member. Give it a little longer, and you won't even notice I'm new.

I hardly ever read read, I just skim over the party-wipe mechanics or one shots. I just adapt to everything else. If I fuck up, I ask people to tell me what I'm doing wrong. I don't get mad if someone tells me I did something dumb.. I'm dead. I did something dumb.

It's all about perspective.

[Magusrex]

Pretty much this. I haven't delved super far into late game (haven't done [cleared] Coils, no one to go with.. -_-) but I've played MMOs for a long time. Even if I'm "new," in a few minutes or tries, I'm more than likely going to be better than your worst party member. Give it a little longer, and you won't even notice I'm new.

I hardly ever read read, I just skim over the party-wipe mechanics or one shots. I just adapt to everything else. If I fuck up, I ask people to tell me what I'm doing wrong. I don't get mad if someone tells me I did something dumb.. I'm dead. I did something dumb.

It's all about perspective.

You can be in my group anytime, no one here is complaining about you.

[Callinon]

I am aware of this, which is pretty much what I said in the following paragraph. Since you omitted it from your reply, can I assume that you did not read it?

That would be an incorrect assumption.

I fail to see how an example about an individual abusing the system for the team, relates to the system gauging the individuals performance.

Any solution that is implemented will be open to some sort of abuse. If RMT proves anything, it's that. However that shouldn't be a reason that a solution shouldn't be considered.

So far, you've either said why my solutions wouldn't work, or conveniently ignored them. Perhaps you have a solution, or perhaps something to add to mine?

A computer program determining whether or not someone "did well" at something outside of some arbitrary metric that's open to abuse would require an AI capable of subjective reasoning. So unless you're proposing that SE implement GLaDOS into the game to figure that out for us, I think I'll stick with human reasoning.