Does anyone else find healers DPS impact on group ironic?

[Galdous]

LOL maybe if they make AST overpowered to the max.

We both know that white mages are not used in dungeons and farm content for the most part. The only reason you even see a white mage is because double scholar in raids does not work well with Adlo shields not stacking. Astrologian will allow two strong healers who are updated healers to the shifting focus of adapting in 3.0 and beyond while the static and much needed updating on tool kit white mage is still a healer made for 1.0 days. If scholar shields could stack you would see white mages benched already.

When a job is only useful because of two other jobs gimping each other you know there is an issue. White mages need more then just raw healing and a gimmick holy that is weaker then just job changing to scholar and doing faster dungeon runs. You can delude yourself and pretend white mages are fine even if you main one but inside you know you go scholar for really getting crap done and just go back to white mage to stand around in Mor Dhona.

[SDaemon]

We both know that white mages are not used in dungeons and farm content for the most part.

LOL you should stop drinking the kool-aid dude. You might not use WHM in your farm parties, but that doesn't carry much weight.

AST has to choose what they want to do depending on if a SCH or WHM is present or which stance the other AST is using, they have already mentioned they cannot swap stances on a whim. You can entertain your delusions to your hearts content, but I do recommend you get off the kool-aid.

[Whiteroom]

When I WHM, I dps as much as possible to keep it fun. Then I run into groups like today, where the tanks and dps don't bother dodging almost anything, and I think, if they dont feel like doing more than the minimum, why should I?

[Krr]

a healer in c-stance is roughly 75% of a full DPS of the same item level, possibly more, so it's no wonder that having one in c-stance doing DPS is going to noticably increase DPS

[seekified]

I definitely agree with this. I play SCH a fair bit these days, and to be honest if I didn't Cleric Stance there just wouldn't be enough to do to keep things interesting. Switching stances, swiftcasting Shadow Flare and dotting the hell out of stuff is half the fun.

[Chiramu]

...this extra damage from having the healer DPS is greater than the gains in having a DPS go from ok to great.

If you are ever in a dungeon with subpar DPS then you will notice yourself never being full MP ever and you will go OOM more often. A great DPS is very noticeable.

[JimboTCB]

Part of it is that a healer who cares enough to juggle DPS in the first place is obviously trying to do their job the best that they can, which immediately puts them ahead of 90% of the knucklehead DPS you come across in a typical dungeon. I've come across some abjectly terrible DPS, and a whole bunch of lazy healers who sit back and do literally nothing apart from tossing a heal out on the tank when they have to, but the lazy healers aren't the ones who actively switch into cleric stance and do the minimal amount of healing necessary.

[Lyzern]

There's something people still haven't realized.

In FFXIV, healer DPS is not much lower than other damage dealers, the difference comes with resource managing:

While a DD's only job is to deal damage and they have infinite resources for that (yes yes, mp/tp, but they're pretty much endless if you know basic rotations); for healers, it's about managing your MP, your time and everyone's health, that's the reason we are healers and not damage dealers, but our damage is nothing to be scoffed at, but it's also low compared to a well geared, well skilled damage dealer.

TL;DR: Imagine every class has the same DPS output, the only thing that differentiates jobs is their responsabilities to the party.

Edit: The same is applicable to tanks by the way. I'm not trying to pull the sardines my way (sorry, portuguese saying), but Warriors and WHMs deal a LOT of AoE damage, more than some of the DDs. But then again, it's burst damage, it's high on resources (TP for warrior, mana and availability for WHM) and it's not something to be used constantly.

[LalaRu]

An healer, to dps effectively, needs a party of people that is not dying on every little thing

[Fynlar]

We both know that white mages are not used in dungeons and farm content for the most part. The only reason you even see a white mage is because double scholar in raids does not work well with Adlo shields not stacking. Astrologian will allow two strong healers who are updated healers to the shifting focus of adapting in 3.0 and beyond while the static and much needed updating on tool kit white mage is still a healer made for 1.0 days. If scholar shields could stack you would see white mages benched already.

You're a funny guy