Does anyone else find healers DPS impact on group ironic?

[Urthdigger]

This is basically the case. A healer can put out some nice numbers, nothing like a real DPS, but still nice. The thing is though, this extra damage from having the healer DPS is greater than the gains in having a DPS go from ok to great.

[synesthetic]

A healer can put out some nice numbers, nothing like a real DPS, but still nice.

It depends. Against a single target, even a mediocre DPS with a smaller weapon can do more damage than a healer. But for mobs, a healer can do more damage than some DPS, if the mob size isn't so large for the tank that the healer is locked into healing. WHM more so than SCH. But for mobs of 3-6, a SCH who DoTs > Bane > Shadowflare > Blizz2 spams can do some respectable damage.

[Sapphic]

It depends. Against a single target, even a mediocre DPS with a smaller weapon can do more damage than a healer. But for mobs, a healer can do more damage than some DPS, if the mob size isn't so large for the tank that the healer is locked into healing. WHM more so than SCH. But for mobs of 3-6, a SCH who DoTs > Bane > Shadowflare > Blizz2 spams can do some respectable damage.

SCH can do some decent single target DPS also. A good SCH can easily out parse a mediocre DPS with a low level weapon.

[Galdous]

SCH can do some decent single target DPS also. A good SCH can easily out parse a mediocre DPS with a low level weapon.

We already know that scholars wipe the floor with white mages in ff right now. All this is going to cause is white mages to be benched/blacklisted in heavensward with astrologian replacing the white mage.

[SDaemon]

We already know that scholars wipe the floor with white mages in ff right now. All this is going to cause is white mages to be benched/blacklisted in heavensward with astrologian replacing the white mage.

LOL maybe if they make AST overpowered to the max.

[Galdous]

LOL maybe if they make AST overpowered to the max.

We both know that white mages are not used in dungeons and farm content for the most part. The only reason you even see a white mage is because double scholar in raids does not work well with Adlo shields not stacking. Astrologian will allow two strong healers who are updated healers to the shifting focus of adapting in 3.0 and beyond while the static and much needed updating on tool kit white mage is still a healer made for 1.0 days. If scholar shields could stack you would see white mages benched already.

When a job is only useful because of two other jobs gimping each other you know there is an issue. White mages need more then just raw healing and a gimmick holy that is weaker then just job changing to scholar and doing faster dungeon runs. You can delude yourself and pretend white mages are fine even if you main one but inside you know you go scholar for really getting crap done and just go back to white mage to stand around in Mor Dhona.

[SDaemon]

We both know that white mages are not used in dungeons and farm content for the most part.

LOL you should stop drinking the kool-aid dude. You might not use WHM in your farm parties, but that doesn't carry much weight.

AST has to choose what they want to do depending on if a SCH or WHM is present or which stance the other AST is using, they have already mentioned they cannot swap stances on a whim. You can entertain your delusions to your hearts content, but I do recommend you get off the kool-aid.

[Elusana_Celah]

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Typical procedure is that scholars are allowed to do a bulk amount of DPS while white mages with their huge healing power solo heal certain phases or parts of phases and scholar will jump in to mitigate when necessary. This is pretty useful. I mean on my white mage I'm practically solo healing phase 1 of T13, solo healing phase 2 of T13 when add is down, can and do solo healing phase 3 during adds before Twin. Solo healing most of T9, most of T10, much of T11. Scholars step in to mitigate.

In fact the irony is that many of those solo heal cases in the coils, a good white mage can just do the whole place by themselves while you grab another DPS instead of having that scholar lol. But scholars can also solo heal, it's just that scholars run into difficulty pulling the group out of bad situations where people are taking too much damage that they shouldn't be which makes white mages great for recovering derps or maybe you have 5 bennus in T12 cuz of poor DPS, scholars have difficult keeping up with the AE of phoenix if DPS is too low since whispering wind will not always be off cooldown, worst nightmare for scholar is party at 1000hp, whispering wind + fey illumination on cooldown lol, succor about 6-9 times before phoenix blasts party AGAIN.

However, I am also concerned with white mages viability with the new heal class. We will see what white mages bring to the table with their new skillset eh?

Whm is the superior DPS ^^.
It's simply situational like all things. WHM and SCH are perfect compliments to each other in every way and are both very valuable.
Besides, it's the player - not the job.

I parse higher on my white mage than scholar, literally around 350DPS but scholar is around 200ish. But you can burn around 3500 or more MP per minute on white mage, pop shroud, shroud is on a 2 minute cooldown so you burn through another 3500 MP and you got no shroud... bards can't keep MP song up so meh. White mages have a tough time with MP, I've gotten phases 1-3 down in T13 to where my MP levels are good but if I started spamming stone and DoTs I would be begging for bard assistance pretty quickly. I can add a little DPS, sure, but you gotta stop you can't just go deep into DPS rotation carelessly like you can with a scholar. Scholar's MP always full.

[Niqote]

We already know that scholars wipe the floor with white mages in ff right now. All this is going to cause is white mages to be benched/blacklisted in heavensward with astrologian replacing the white mage.

Whm is the superior DPS ^^.
It's simply situational like all things. WHM and SCH are perfect compliments to each other in every way and are both very valuable.
Besides, it's the player - not the job.

[Gallus]

Whm is the superior DPS ^^.
It's simply situational like all things. WHM and SCH are perfect compliments to each other in every way and are both very valuable.
Besides, it's the player - not the job.

AOE more than 4 mobs yes. Single target nope.