BLM Gear

[Nyalia]

Accuracy caps for everything that has an accuracy cap: http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...ything_coil_19. Everything else has an accuracy cap of 0. Meaning, you can hit everything else in the game 100% of the time with your base accuracy as a level 50 BLM. Every dungeon monster and boss, every CT/ST/WoD boss, all the other Extreme Primals, everything. Accuracy is a dead stat outside of Coil.

Also, people put Piety on their relic because, if you look at the monster BLM DPS spreadsheet with its crazy math (sorry, I don't have a link, but you can find it if you search), there are rotations on there that you can do with more piety that do noticeably more DPS even with lower stats (it's the F6 series of rotations where you have 6 Fire 1s after each Fire 3). The only way to get PIE on a BLM is to either meld it into the relic (very cheap) or use penta-melded accessories (very expensive). That is why people who are really hardcore about their BLM DPS will use PIE on their relic, and yes, it's totally worth it. If you notice, these people are (or should be) all dunesfolk lalafels, the best race for using these rotations due to their higher PIE score.

[Cynfael]

Huh? Why are people saying Det over Crit on gear? Aren't the stat weights:

SS: 0.281
Det: 0.246
Crit: 0.234

So, on your Relic where you get as many Det points as Crit, sure, Det is better than Crit. However, on all other gear, you get 42% more Crit than Det. So an item that gives 20 Crit would give 14 Det at the same ilvl.

It should go without saying that you don't favor tiny amounts of DET over huge amounts of CRT; that much is common sense. You're also not given many straight-up choices of DET vs. CRT at the same ilvl (where INT difference isn't a factor).

Sure, if you basically ignore ACC you can get a crazy set together, but I think most players min/max specifically for end-game, not because they want to see how much DPS they can pull in 4-man dungeons and such. The math is good to know, though, so thank you

[SunnyHirose]

Meaning, you can hit everything else in the game 100% of the time with your base accuracy as a level 50 BLM. Every dungeon monster and boss, every CT/ST/WoD boss, all the other Extreme Primals, everything.

This is not quite true. Lv 50 dummies and the original EX trial have front caps >341, 2.4 dungeons have front caps >387, 2.5 dungeons have front caps >436. It's hard to not hit these caps, so you don't see many people reporting misses there. BLM, not having to worry about front caps, will need less accuracy, of course.

[randysquirrel]

Huh? Why are people saying Det over Crit on gear? Aren't the stat weights:

SS: 0.281
Det: 0.246
Crit: 0.234

0.246>0.234
Sorry if I did not explicitly say in my previous post, I had assumed some level of common sense
No-one was saying +20 crit is not better than +3 det or whatever
comparing 1 for 1, det slightly edges over crit, as shown from the stat weights you yourself have quoted

[pandabearcat]

Yea what Nyalia is saying though is its never 1 to 1, det is always lower on gear, thus you basically never get the chance to take it, as the opportunity cost vs other stats is too high. If you can meld etc, then it is worth it.

[Nyalia]

Yea what Nyalia is saying though is its never 1 to 1, det is always lower on gear, thus you basically never get the chance to take it, as the opportunity cost vs other stats is too high. If you can meld etc, then it is worth it.

Exactly. Thank you.


To the people above, please show me same ilvl gear choice (besides relic) where, when choosing between a major det stat and a major crit stat, or a minor det stat and a minor crit stat, the det is equal to the crit. You can't because that never happens. The crit is always ~1.42 times the det. 20 vs 14, 44 vs 31, 47 vs 33, 12 vs 9, and so on. Looking at it point for point when you're comparing stats on gear is misleading. People said above to prioritize det over crit on gear, meaning, gear with det on it is better than gear with crit on it. This is never true. (Again, except on relic, and I showed in my post how much amazingly better a 31 point det relic is vs a 31 point crit relic, and it was a negligible 0.69 eINT difference.)

Yes, 20 Det is slightly better than 20 Crit, but you never choose between 20 Det and 20 Crit. You choose between 14 Det and 20 Crit. 20 Crit is better. Therefore, Crit on gear is better than Det on gear. I don't get how what I said was wrong, or how the people who said to focus on det over cirt were right. To use a stupid simile, it's like saying if, given a choice of 20 nickles or 7 dimes, you should always choose the dimes because dimes are worth more, and then, when someone points out that 20 nickles are worth more than 7 dimes, saying that well, duh, you should never choose the dimes, that's obvious.


Of course, as I said above, this is all a moot point since you never choose between det and crit on current endgame BLM gear. This will change in 3.x, but so will the average stat weights.


Also, if you read the OP, the OP clearly stated that he wasn't planning to take his BLM into coil. Therefore, accuracy is useless to the OP unless he's running Mog Ex, Levi Ex, and Shiva Ex. Those require 470 accuracy, which I showed builds for above. Besides, a naked level 50 BLM has 387 accuracy, more than enough for 2.5 dungeons and original ex primals. And BLM never cares about front accuracy caps since magic requires the same accuracy as rear attacks regardless of positioning, from what I understand (this could be wrong, but that's how I understand it). The last bit where I threw in coil drops for the max DPS calculation outside of Coil was just for fun. And, it does matter - maximizing DPS like that is how you can do silly things like two minute spiny-ignoring Garuda Ex runs.

[Waliel]

You basically take the higher number when choosing between det and crit, which more often than not is crit. Technically 20 det is better than 21 crit, but the difference is so small you will never notice it.

[Cynfael]

The thing is, there's not much point to discussing secondaries at all outside of the context of content like Coil.

Putting aside for the moment the question of whether or not it really matters when the content has next-to-nothing in the way of DPS checks, avoiding Coil means not being able to use Dreadwyrm gear, which narrows the choices down slightly.

It's pretty hard to build a bad non-end game BLM considering that there are no real trash secondaries aside from having way too much ACC for the content you're doing.

If you spend most of your time AoEing trash, prioritize DET/CRT since it's the server's mana regen tick that limits your pace more than casting speed; otherwise take as much SS as you can and pile on the secondaries that mathematically make sense.

[SunnyHirose]

Besides, a naked level 50 BLM has 387 accuracy, more than enough for 2.5 dungeons and original ex primals.

Base accuracy is 341. I forgot to mention that hunt mobs also have an accuracy cap. I never bothered to figure out what, but B-ranks seem to be equal to or less than T9. OP said no static coil runs, but T4 doesn't need a static.

Some Piety can be adjusted through bonus stat allocations (The Keeper's Hymn) and food. Except for maybe the 6 Fire build (which I'd know nothing about), it's better to get it as a secondary stat from gear instead of cutting into your bonus Intelligence or forsaking better food, but these options are there if you need to test them.

[randysquirrel]

Yes nowhere did I say there is loot that has the same amount of det as crit

seems you just purposely chose to misinterpret my post for whatever reason
all I said was "SS>Det>Crit", which weight-wise is correct, though by all means continue to write your essay posts