Spot the Celestial Dragons

[Velox]

You have to remember that Bahamut has been dead for thousands of years. Yes, he returned as a primal, but for all intents and purposes he's gone in the eyes of Ishgard.

[melflomil]

You have to remember that Bahamut has been dead for thousands of years. Yes, he returned as a primal, but for all intents and purposes he's gone in the eyes of Ishgard.

Doesn't Ishgard know that he leveled half of Eorzea? That would be enough evidence that he still lives lol

[Nalien]

Doesn't Ishgard know that he leveled half of Eorzea? That would be enough evidence that he still lives lol

I wouldn't be surprised if they did miss it actually...

They have plenty of shelters set up for when Dragons attack. Moon is falling? Welp, better get in those shelters. They had no idea Bahamut was in Dalamud, when he pops out they're busy hiding rather than helping us at Carteneau. Bahamut was only loose for a few minutes at best, when they finally came out of shelter they'd have missed the entire show.

Probably think we're lying about the whole thing too, Dragons are their thing, after all. There was a Dragon God in Dalamud and it conveniently disappeared afterwards? Such rot!

[WyrahFhurrst]

That really begs the question of if Primals are technically alive. I mean, is something really alive if it's already died and went through a sort of apotheosis? A Primal can be slain over and over, but is it ever truly dead? Is a Primal's ultimate demise only based upon being slain once, or is the Primal truly dead once all of his worshippers are dead and he can no longer be summoned? Or can he be summoned again once those old worshippers are dead and some new ones spring up?

I'm really not trying to turn this into a primal thread, just postulating on whether or not Bahamut would really be viewed as "alive."

[Velox]

Doesn't Ishgard know that he leveled half of Eorzea? That would be enough evidence that he still lives lol

No. They know he's a primal. The difference is that a primal is summoned on behalf of its followers to answer the prayers/wishes of said followers. A primal has some sentience, but usually said sentience is confined to the realm of "I'm here to help you first and foremost as long as you do what I say." I would bet that Ishgard no longer sees him in the same spotlight as the other dragons, whose primary concerns are to seek revenge on Ishgard directly. Also remember that, although the events of the Calamity were shakey, it's agreed that Bahamut's vanishing alongside Louisoix means he is no longer a threat (backed up by Alphinaud letting the Alliance know Bahamut is gone).

[Yoohre_WildRiver]

my question is. why is bahamut the only dragon facing Midgardsomnr as if they where fighting ??... the plot thickens...
edit addition :
also why did middy answered to nidhoggs call but at the end of 2.0 mainstory when bahamuts roar is heard across eorzea middy did nothing. was bahamut forzaken by his dragon kin? perhaps a betrayal took place


...plot now so thick you can make dragon pudding.

[PArcher]

So...I'm pretty sure Bahamut is in the picture in the OP.



Look at the horns and beak of the very bottom dragon...

[WyrahFhurrst]

Mmm, if we're judging by horn shape, I think his match the Green one's better than the bottom one. The bottom one's horns seem to curve above his head before curving back.

[Zohar_Lahar]

I hope they don't waste Shinryu. To many other options considering we have already established travel from the void/rift to Eorzea. Big Shinryu and Omega fight would be awesome. ^^

Am I the only one noticed how Midgardsormr looks like Shinryu?

[Cilia]

That really begs the question of if Primals are technically alive. I mean, is something really alive if it's already died and went through a sort of apotheosis? A Primal can be slain over and over, but is it ever truly dead? Is a Primal's ultimate demise only based upon being slain once, or is the Primal truly dead once all of his worshippers are dead and he can no longer be summoned? Or can he be summoned again once those old worshippers are dead and some new ones spring up?

I'm really not trying to turn this into a primal thread, just postulating on whether or not Bahamut would really be viewed as "alive."

Well, it's hard to say since a Primal's existence is completely different from a mortal's. Every Primal thus encountered has some degree of sentience - they're able to think and talk - but they all have some kind of base instinct they can't ignore; though I can't find a proper source, each elemental Primal supposedly has a personality "sphere" that dictates some of their behavior (Ifrit's love of dominating anyone and everyone he can through tempering, Garuda's unquenchable thirst for power and destruction, etc). Whether this extends to other / Elder Primals is debatable, but how much of a Primal's mind is its own and how much is shaped through its worshipers' prayers is suspect.

Is it possible to kill a Primal for good? Maybe. As long as the Primal still has worshipers they can be summoned through prayer and crystals, and even if all of said worshipers were killed the Primal might retain its existence in the aether as long as people remember it. Even being forgotten might not be enough; there's always those damn Ascians, and they might retain their original consciousness but have a radically different appearance if forgotten, remembered, and then re-summoned if no images existed of their original appearance. Otherwise they'd probably just be an amorphous blob of energy, a la IX's Ozma.

Shorthand for both questions... we don't know.