Why I Decided to Become an Elitist

[Dement]

Actually it's not the same effort. First because it's a feasible option to find learning / clear parties on PF... WHEN THE CONTENT IS BLEEDING EDGE. Second because as time advances, more and more people will have cleared the content and will be less patient with people who don't know it yet. Third, the number people who need that clear dwindles as time go by, making harder and harder to put together a party with each passing week.

So no. It's not the same effort. I GUARANTEE you went through much less pain to find people willing to wipe on T9 back when you cleared it than you would right now.

I'm not sure what you're GUARANTEEING here. When I was getting my T9 clear it had a weekly lock on it. That effectively made sure that there weren't ANY learning party finders ever. Furthermore, people who had cleared it for the week and were thus experienced could not help you. Furthermore, most of the community is in a static of some kind and wouldn't raid with anyone else not because they didn't want to but because if you cleared the content you'd lock yourself out of your static's run time. It was not in Duty Finder. You either had a static or you got insanely lucky to find enough people who were not running with their statics that week or had other issues come up. The only other possibility was jumping into a static that was missing someone and couldn't fill the spot with stand-bys.

[Ashkendor]

Actually it's not the same effort. First because it's a feasible option to find learning / clear parties on PF... WHEN THE CONTENT IS BLEEDING EDGE. Second because as time advances, more and more people will have cleared the content and will be less patient with people who don't know it yet. Third, the number people who need that clear dwindles as time go by, making harder and harder to put together a party with each passing week.

So no. It's not the same effort. I GUARANTEE you went through much less pain to find people willing to wipe on T9 back when you cleared it than you would right now.

If you're citing T9, should I then cite T13? That's the closest we have to bleeding edge now. I see T13 learning and clear parties in PF all day. The funny part is I also see them for T9, mostly due to its status as a "gatekeeper" turn. Hell, I see at least 1 or 2 T5 clears a day in PF, and hear about several more on linkshells. I see half a dozen parties per day for lower turns of FCoB, sometimes more. Most of them that I've joined have had at least one other player with clear experience in it. If anything, it's easier for people to get a clear now because there are people that have had the content on farm for awhile now and are willing to help less experienced people learn. Some of us get a warm fuzzy feeling from it.

All we ask is that you put in a modicum of effort. Put up that PF. And now, I'm going to be silly.

[Mishini_Dracoto]

It certainly undercuts the notion that ffxiv is designed to be friendly for casual players when the community approach is to insists they watch a let's play of the content.

It certainly makes it difficult to recommend to people in real life. If they have to watch the game on YouTube before playing it, then what justifies playing it?

The only thing you really need to watch videos for, are the top-end, most challenging content available. Most other things, it's probably not necessary.

[Irie]

Third, the number people who need that clear dwindles as time go by, making harder and harder to put together a party with each passing week.

You are talking about less than 10% of the entire server population. On some servers the number is less than 3%. There is a HUGE amout of ppl who don't have the clear months after the content was released. You make it sound like there are only couple few who are being left behind because of the mean elitists.

[ilmynasa]

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Sorry, was bit vague on that I guess. Some of my static members join teaching parties in a FC to help those who want the clear. But there are many people who goes in there, and expect to for a carry. We don't help those people.

I guess I'll give a specific example. 3 of my static is helping with a T13 clear. I was on my smn main dpsing. Our clear was right after the last akh morn, just as enrage gigaflare is casting. One melee is parsing below 350 for almost every pull, with echo, even after he got the weapon. And I think one of my static member already went to him regarding his rotation.

Us willing to help does not equal to people willing to listen. And not all sellers treat others as potential customers.

[AlexionSkylark]

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Your server must be some kind of utopian paradise, then. Me and a bunch of other people already told about a much harsher reality in this topic. Please tell us where that magical realm where T5 and T9 parties actually happens is. We only heard it in legends.

[LineageRazor]

I can vouch for this. I'm a member of a four-man static. Due to family reponsibilities we can only meet as a group one night per week, for roughly three hours. This has meant that our progression is slow, but we ARE progressing. We're good players, or like to think we are, but our glacial weekly pace means that it's tough to recruit.

Nevertheless, when we put up T9 progression in Party Finder, we usually fill up pretty quickly. The players often bail if we don't meet their standards (including one hilarious case where a pick-up warned, "If we wipe on meteors, I'm out," who kept his promise - after HE caused the wipe), but usually we'll eventually manage to cobble a crew together willing to actually get some practice in. We made it to T9 Divebombs for the first time this week, something we're please and excited by.

But yeah, use Party Finder. It does work. You won't get placed in a group as quickly as you would be by Duty Finder, but the players you get will typically be more worthwhile.

[Malevicton]

Your server must be some kind of utopian paradise, then. Me and a bunch of other people already told about a much harsher reality in this topic. Please tell us where that magical realm where T5 and T9 parties actually happens is. We only heard it in legends.

Well you and I are on the same server, and I've actually joined a decent amount of t5/t9 parties...

I'm a proponent of the "you'll get whatever you look for" philosophy. There are some jerks in this game and there are some awesome people. If you are expecting and looking for jerks, then you'll find em. If you're expecting and looking for awesome people you'll find em as well.

So, instead of expecting everyone to be a jerk and waiting for them to prove you wrong, flip it around. Assume people are chill until they prove otherwise. May sound cheesy, but seriously it helps.

[AlexionSkylark]

Actually that is my attitude. I'm even one of the few who sees the vote abandons and reply on chat "ow, c'mon, don't give up". I'm the one who tried to make several dozens of learning parties who didn't fill. I'm the one who tries to stay with a positive attitude even on the brink of failure.

But bad attitude and lack of good will is something that is outside my control.
Funny thing is it's always the TANKS who are lacking. I figure most of them finda parties easier and already got their clears, so why bother.

[Ashkendor]

Your server must be some kind of utopian paradise, then. Me and a bunch of other people already told about a much harsher reality in this topic. Please tell us where that magical realm where T5 and T9 parties actually happens is. We only heard it in legends.

It's a magical realm called Sargatanas, on data center Aether. We have cookies! ;3

We made it to T9 Divebombs for the first time this week, something we're please and excited by.

Gratz on your progress!! It always feels really really good to push to the next phase.

I wish more of the people posting here were from my server. I like to help. :c

But bad attitude and lack of good will is something that is outside my control.
Funny thing is it's always the TANKS who are lacking. I figure most of them finda parties easier and already got their clears, so why bother.

They may just be afraid to go in as tanks because of the inherent responsibility and visibility of the role. If the tank screws up, everyone knows. It's the same reason it can be hard to find Scholars for T10 - Prey gets missed, guess who gets taken to task for it. It could also be that they have tried as tanks, have messed up, and have had abuse heaped on them because of it so they're leery of going in as a tank again. I think that less people actually play tanks in endgame (versus queueing up as tanks for fast queues in lolfaceroll dungeons) than may actually be apparent from DF queues.