Relationship between Bahamut and Midgardsomr?

[Frederick22]

<Looks at the Dravanian Hoard> Yea we're gonna need a bigger Dragon Killer. <Starts preparing for round two with the Dreadwyrm King>

I would think that the Dravanian Hord is loyal only to Nidhogg, not to Bahamut.

[Kaizlu]

Better quality

So, not sure about you guys but I don't think any of them look like Bahamut :\ at all. I guess we'll know for sure once we're done with Heavensward.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I would think that the Dravanian Hord is loyal only to Nidhogg, bot to Bahamut.

Not necessarily. Nidhogg may simply be the Leader of The Ishguad invasion force. For all we know the Seven Celestial Dragons could all be God-like kings of All Dragon Races and the seven from a panthion similar to The Twelve.

We really don't know a whole lot about Dravania when you think about it.

[Sapphic]

There may not be a technical mother. I'm thinking these were those "torn from flesh" births, possibly similar to how he fashioned himself a new vessel. They are Celestial Dragons, after all. That, or Hydaelyn gave Midgardsormr some fancy rocks to fertilize...

Imagining him rearing dragonettes is pretty funny, now that I think of it. Oh, and here's another fun thought: all modern dragons are inbred!

Redneck dragons?! :P

[Nalien]

No Bahamut on that poster? Yay, my theory hasn't been completely blown out the water! I'm assuming that interview where he mentioned Bahamut was more along the lines of explaining his place in things, which I assume to be; Bahamut was one of the first dragons, died, Meracydia summoned him to combat Allag, Dalamud happened, Xandes Calamity happened, Midgardsormr was (the last?) survivor of Meracydia, him and the Allagan Warriors of Light (representatives of Hydaelyn and perhaps the origin of the Twelve mythos) form a agreement (as far as lore goes Midgardsormr guarded the lake as it was the center of all aether, or something to that affect? Crystal Tower was the center of the Allagan Empire and source of all its power, hint hint). Midgardsormr guards the Lake, where Crystal Tower slumbers to prevent its misuse (fast forward to 1.0s opening, Garlemald advances on Mor Dhona during/after Bozja Citadel in which they attempted to recreate Crystal Tower to control Dalamud, hence Midgardsormrs aggression), his seven children perhaps fulfill a similar role; Nidhogg guarding the floating Allag structures we've seen in videos. Ishgards sin is attempting to reach/use that, hence the Dragonsong War.

Of course, if we look at the Blue Dragon Triple Triad card, we could also conclude that, since dragons seem to undergo a unique "evolution" with age, either Bahamut (proper) or Bahamut (prime) look different to each other as a result of that. Alternatively Midgardsormr had eight children and the dead, Primal warped one is no longer counted, thus seven. Of the two my money is on that, why? Every element is covered. Although looking at them that seems doubtful; We have a white (Light/Astral) dragon, a green (Wind), a blue (Ice or Water?), two yellow ones (Earth and Lightning?) then two reds (Fire for one obviously, but the other?). Leaving the desceased 8th as Dark/Umbral, which seems fitting given the Calamity Bahamut eventually ushered in?

Disregarding all of that and thinking about the recent Umbral aspected Calamity actually, is there perhaps a connection between the seven celestial dragons and Mezaya Thousand Eyes' Divine Chronicles? Seven verses, seven dragons... Hmmm...

On the subject of dragon reproduction though, that's reminded me of something... During the Living on a Prayer quest, wasn't the Matron stone (iirc, the one above the Conjurer's Guild) called the Skyserpents Egg or something to that effect? Wonder if that has any relevance what-so-ever. Perhaps my mind is just making all that up though...

[Nyalia]

Make this happen! Or make half of it the new Smn LB3... I think I'd have to start playing Smn for that alone XD.

Please no! I don't want to have to put my controller down and go find something else to do for 10 minutes while the KOTR animation plays! I remember having to keep a book around for when I W-Summoned KOTR in FF7.

Regarding Bahamut, killing the Primal in Coil only allows it to be summoned again, just like the other Primals we "kill." There's no such thing as "killing" one for good (I mean, I guess you could wipe out everyone who has ever heard of them and destroy all history books, but that's a bit much!). Also, "Bahamut Prime" was (relatively speaking) rather weak when you get to T13. Sure, there were plenty of worshipers praying to Bahamut still "alive" to shape the aether, but Dalamud didn't have all that much aether to work with yet. It had no access to crystallized aether and could only use what it could siphon directly from the land (and from Phoenix, I guess). So, if the Dravnarians decide to gather a bunch of crystals and summon a new instance of Bahamut, it's entirely possible that the Bahamut they summon will be stronger than the one you fight in T13.

[Fenral]

I'd love to see the Crystal Tower play an actual role in the Main Scenario in Heavensward (or, well, ever), but... I think at most we may discover that whatever Middy was guarding is the reason the Allagans chose that particular spot for their tower, and that will at best end up as some tertiary side quest reveal. I'll be high as a kite if I get proven wrong on that, though.

[Nyalia]

I'd love to see the Crystal Tower play an actual role in the Main Scenario in Heavensward (or, well, ever), but... I think at most we may discover that whatever Middy was guarding is the reason the Allagans chose that particular spot for their tower, and that will at best end up as some tertiary side quest reveal. I'll be high as a kite if I get proven wrong on that, though.

But we know what Middy was guarding. He was guarding Silvertear Falls, where the seal on the aether was placed, which was broken by the Agrius being rammed through him and into the seal. That's why there are beast tribe Primals, right? So, maybe the seal on the aether was like a dam, causing aetherial energy to pool near Silvertear, which is why the Crystal Tower was built so close to it. They probably used a lot of aether to create their massive solar energy collecting satellite (aka Dalamud), which stayed in geosynchronous orbit with Syrcus Tower, which was a giant antenna built to absorb and distribute the energy beamed down from Dalamud. That energy then powered their entire civilization, so they really didn't need aetherial energy after it was built. It'd totally make sense to me if they built Dalamud in Silvertear Lake right next to the Crystal Tower and on Middy's doorstep, and launched it into orbit from there.

EDIT: If the above is true, then the reason the Allagan Empire left Middy alone is they wanted the aether to be dammed right there. But, if the aether was dammed and sealed, how did Bahamut get summoned? Was it possible because of the way Dalamud had collected Aether? Huh... I guess I'm wrong about the above, because that just doesn't make sense =\

[Cilia]

Middy didn't place a complete seal on the aether at Silvertear; some was still leaking out. Primals could still be summoned before the Battle of Silvertear Skies, but it was a lot harder.

[Nyalia]

Middy didn't place a complete seal on the aether at Silvertear; some was still leaking out. Primals could still be summoned before the Battle of Silvertear Skies, but it was a lot harder.

Ah, okay, thanks for the clarification!