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    RobinRethiel's Avatar
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    Robin Avrelivs
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    Phoenix
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    幻術士 Lv 80
    Cutscenes.
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ePowerToTheMax <- Yda, Ilberd for example
    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...neIncompetence <- WoL, partly Scions for example

    It's quite typical, else there would not trope about it.
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    gamesmart's Avatar
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    Marcus Deston
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    Behemoth
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    呪術士 Lv 60
    Quote 引用元:RobinRethiel 投稿を閲覧
    stuff
    Yda doesn't just drop a Final Heaven out of nowhere. Papalymo casted some sort of spell on her (most likely Aura) that gave her the ability to unleash an attack that would normally require the combined power of 8 people. (Also, Papalymo's Fire IIs still hit for I believe over 1k damage, which is more than an i130 BLM can say. He's more skilled at thaumaturgy than we are, if anything.)

    The only time we saw Ilberd actually fight before 2.55 was I believe in 2.4's story, more specifically the instanced fight in Northern Thanalan during The Reason Roaille. And I'm pretty sure he held his own.

    As for some of the other Scions, sure, there might be a trope in play...but - and you seem to want to ignore this fact despite overwhelming proof that it is fact - the Warrior of Light did not have a weapon. I can't really drop a Flare if I don't have a tool to channel aether through.
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    2015/04/24 03:56; gamesmart が最後に編集

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    snip
    It does not really change anything. Of course I saw Papa's cast, but this would be part of the same trope, having a spell for Level 3 Limit Breaks, obviously cast in an instant, too, without any afford.

    And @ Ilberd. If you just make someone the leader of you group, you collect some informations about them. But sure, it is not clear yet, if Ilberd is possessed or whatever. On the other side, when Papa can just summon Level 3 Limit breaks, Yda should have "Limit Broken" Ilberd. Would have helped a lot. Then we would have Raubahn's word vs Lolo's. Would be much more interesting.

    @ Weapon
    Well, I had one. I had many of them. I gave them (the invisible guards who were not there anyway) one and kept the others. I would never enter Uldah withou a weapon anyway. And I would not visit the Sultana without one. she summoned me as a "Warrior" and had not reason to mistrust us. The story would not happen this way, if somone had tried to take my weapons from me. It's that easy. So too bad, can't blame me, was not there at all. If you fantasize about things not in the cutscene, I do this, too.

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    Brass Blades are all Gladiators. Tempered Will.
    That's a high class skill (Level 42) and only prevents heavy and knockback for a very short time. It does not make you immun to most CC.
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    2015/04/24 23:57; RobinRethiel が最後に編集

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    Cilia's Avatar
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    Trpimir Ratyasch
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    Lamia
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    ガンブレイカー Lv 100
    Quote 引用元:RobinRethiel 投稿を閲覧
    It does not really change anything. Of course I saw Papa's cast, but this would be part of the same trope, having a spell for Level 3 Limit Breaks, obviously cast in an instant, too, without any afford.

    And @ Ilberd. If you just make someone the leader of you group, you collect some informations about them. But sure, it is not clear yet, if Ilberd is possessed or whatever. On the other side, when Papa can just summon Level 3 Limit breaks, Yda should have "Limit Broken" Ilberd. Would have helped a lot. Then we would have Raubahn's word vs Lolo's. Would be much more interesting.

    @ Weapon
    Well, I had one. I had many of them. I gave them (the invisible guards who were not there anyway) one and kept the others. I would never enter Uldah withou a weapon anyway. And I would not visit the Sultana without one. she summoned me as a "Warrior" and had not reason to mistrust us. The story would not happen this way, if somone had tried to take my weapons from me. It's that easy. So too bad, can't blame me, was not there at all. If you fantasize about things not in the cutscene, I do this, too.


    [Tempered Will is] a high class skill (Level 42) and only prevents heavy and knockback for a very short time. It does not make you immun to most CC.
    Nobody knows what level the Brass Blades / Crystal Braves were. Probably 50, since most enemies we face nowadays are 50 or ??. The only class that has crowd control besides Bind and Heavy is Black Mage, the game can't assume you're a Black Mage, and you probably would have been interrupted before you were able to cast Sleep even if you had a weapon.

    Otherway: Your opinion is clear, you got your story in your head and that's all you want to believe, no discussion. You don't have to write it again and again to us. We already knew this.
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    Riepah Redeemer
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    Quote 引用元:Cilia 投稿を閲覧
    and you probably would have been interrupted before you were able to cast Sleep even if you had a weapon.
    Swiftcast...
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    Aria Placida
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    Swiftcast...
    Takes care of the first 5 yalm radius circle. But I'm gonna assume that not all targets are within that circle.
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    Riepah Redeemer
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    Quote 引用元:Viridiana 投稿を閲覧
    Takes care of the first 5 yalm radius circle. But I'm gonna assume that not all targets are within that circle.
    First bunch of people to accuse you - Teledji, 3-4 guards and the handmaiden could've easily been slept that way, and a BLM could've easily escaped before anyone knew what was going on at all.
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