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  1. #71
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    DeadRiser's Avatar
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    Kipp Kaida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sav View Post
    Wait and see how it's implemented before deciding to ditch a class. It's like the THM "nerf" all over again.
    Guess is the key words.
    And this isn't a nerf. This was a complaint for pressing blocks every so often and could have been implemented/tweaked better than falling short for autoblock.
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  2. #72
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    Yoko Ceres
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    Not a fan of autoblock, not either to spam every 18s my shield guard (spam more when it's bugged and doesn't look my guard is up).

    But i'll be a fan if they make possible to use guard as a stance, offensive/deffensive, the guard doesn't wear of until it was canceled manually.

    Shield up: More defense, more enmity gain using skill, less damage dealt.
    Shield off: Less defense, more damage dealt, more accuracy.
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    Il est possible de dépassé la limite des 1ooo caractères, il suffit d'éditer son post ~

  3. #73
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    Lienn Deleene
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nexxus View Post
    Not a fan of autoblock, not either to spam every 18s my shield guard (spam more when it's bugged and doesn't look my guard is up).

    But i'll be a fan if they make possible to use guard as a stance, offensive/deffensive, the guard doesn't wear of until it was canceled manually.

    Shield up: More defense, more enmity gain using skill, less damage dealt.
    Shield off: Less defense, more damage dealt, more accuracy.
    This indeed would be a much better way of dealing with it than auto-blocking. Having guard with a 30 sec toggle recast, just like defender...you use it once to raise shield and it will stay up for 30 min or until you use it again to lower the shield. However it would still mess with wield rate and block rate. You guys ned to think that shield triggers way more frequent than parry exactly due the effort required to use it...if the shield stay up full time its very possible that it turns out to be a major nerf at GLA tanking skills (whic is already kinda bad since 1.18)...
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breath77 View Post
    Thx to the QQer .. next thing auto hate and auto ws ?

    Really sad about this news..

    Got nothing to do with QQ. If you play Gladiator you know it's annoying putting up Shield just after 5 seconds it go back to normal stance again then you put it up again. There also right now bug, where you press multiple time or sometime it doesn't look like you're in defensive mode but it say you are already blocking.

    We are not asking for automatic block all attack here, just like someone suggest make it a stand mode where you stay in that position for a short duration of time, not like couple second it go down again. Anything is better then spamming shield guard every 3 - 5 seconds repeatedly. Look like Gladiator is really fun to play now. I feel like that all I do, spam shield guard.
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  5. #75
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    Actually...the minimal guard duration is 10 seconds. The time it stays up the 1:1 with wield rate and boosted in 50% if you have self-preservation. With round shields i have shield up for 28 seconds when i use guard or ant defensive shield action...but you need to understand the mechanics balance...you cannot expect to keep the 99% block rate and still have it up full time. You need to see that its like a libra...when wield rate goes up the block rate goes down and vice-versa. It was meant to players actually find their optimal balance between these 2 attributes, using what fit them better...but instead everyone want the 99% block rate of scutum and shields up full time...and this won't happen.

    IMO, once again people asked the wrong thing, the dev team used it as base for changes and, when the change is made, people will say that it wasn't what they wanted and regret it because GLA will be even weaker defensively.
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  6. #76
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    Ragna Rok
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkrose View Post
    Got nothing to do with QQ. If you play Gladiator you know it's annoying putting up Shield just after 5 seconds it go back to normal stance again then you put it up again. There also right now bug, where you press multiple time or sometime it doesn't look like you're in defensive mode but it say you are already blocking.

    We are not asking for automatic block all attack here, just like someone suggest make it a stand mode where you stay in that position for a short duration of time, not like couple second it go down again. Anything is better then spamming shield guard every 3 - 5 seconds repeatedly. Look like Gladiator is really fun to play now. I feel like that all I do, spam shield guard.
    I have just one thing to say. Learn how to use your shield .. Try your shield defensive action and stop using scutum ..

    The only thing that need a fix is shield animation and a grayed icon when the shield is up.
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    Last edited by Breath77; 08-14-2011 at 07:58 AM.

  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by Breath77 View Post
    I have just one thing to say. Learn how to use your shield .. Try your shield defensive action and stop using scutum ..

    The only thing that need a fix is shield animation and a grayed icon when the shield is up.
    Very true. Having guard icon reflecting as recast the guard up timer would be moore than welcome...would be much better for a guard perception than just looking to the animation.
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  8. #78
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    Frein Mannis
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Lienn View Post
    It was meant to players actually find their optimal balance between these 2 attributes, using what fit them better...but instead everyone want the 99% block rate of scutum and shields up full time...and this won't happen.
    People always could have the 99% block rate of scutums at all times. Sure, it cost a bunch of stamina, but it was still worth it for a tank. There was and is no choice, you'll want to block as much damage as possible regardless of duration.
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  9. #79
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    Reika Shadowheart
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    Gotta love all this negative thinking. Tho, maybe they will XI blocking. They're XI'ing every damn thing else. Why complain, it would have come with or without player intervention.

    O wait, player intervention lead to the XI'ing of the game in the first place >.>

    Did you know they are planning to eliminate the AC system too? Probably because its not in XI >.> next TP generation will slow WAAAAY down. All weaponskills will take all all TP you have, and we will have to kneel to recover hp and mp...

    Heavens knows they want us all to compete over field mob positions for mindless grind fests now, just like XI. I've already known they were going to XI this game a long time ago. I've only recently stopped carrying. You'll see it, one update at a time.

    Anyways, we just have to see what they do with blocking. Blocking as it is, you raise your shield with a kite shield or scutum, you'll block just about every attack. Not that it reduces much damage, but its far better than random parrying. Along with their automation of shield block, parrying needs to be changed too. Shield block is the actual % block rate of the shield, but 150 parry certainly cant be the parry rate. They will most likely slightly lower the block rate, even tho it would be pointless since a good gladiator had guard up all the time anyways, but parry needs to be the same.
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    Last edited by Reika; 08-19-2011 at 01:00 AM.

  10. #80
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    Arthur Pendragon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bayohne View Post
    We talked to shield master Matsui about the possibility of auto-block implementation and he said that they are going to be eliminating the "Guard" ability, which will lead to the shield block activating on its own in the future.
    THANK YOU!!!!
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